10 US Sailors 2 Boats Detained by Iran

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  1. Pathfinder

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    Pentagon: 2 Navy boats in Iranian custody; Iran assures crew will be returned promptly

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    The crew of two small Navy craft are being held by Iran, but American officials have received assurances from Tehran that the crew and vessels will be returned safely and promptly.

    Pentagon spokesman Peter Cook told The Associated Press that the boats were moving between Kuwait and Bahrain when the U.S. lost contact with them.

    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/12/pent...n-assures-crew-will-be-returned-promptly.html
     
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    Falcon Major Staff Member Social Media Team

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    This is crazy!!! Completely unacceptable!!! What are our rules of engagement in that region? Obviously something is wrong if someone can just take over a couple of our boats. Why weren't we able to react? Were we not able to detect the Iranians? Lets see how this is brought up in the State of the Union Address.
     
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    Technofox That Norwegian girl Staff Member Ret. Military Developer

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    Something like this:

    In the Persian Gulf the US has Small Unit Riverine Craft:

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    And Riverine Command Boats, also known as CB90.

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    It definitely was something small. Not exactly a major coup for Iran, it wasn't a destroyer or cruiser, and if US ships where conducting innocent passage, and not something more nefarious, Iran may have violated International Laws.

    But the incident is expected to pass without concern or further issues:

    US officials say they have received assurances from Tehran that the crew of two small US navy ships – currently in Iranian custody – will soon be allowed to continue their journey.

    As reported by Iran held two US navy ships in Gulf | World news | The Guardian

    Well it depends on US actions. If the US was in Iranian territorial waters, but conducting innocent passage, then Iran broke International Maritime Laws and could be tried... if the US was a signatory to those laws anyway. The US and some Central Asian landlocked nations are non-parties to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, which governs activities like innocent passage.

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    If the US actions where nefarious, such as intel gathering, Iran had a right to self-defense and a right to seize hostile boats, in accordance to a law the US doesn't follow of course. Iran signed, but didn't ratify the convention.

    Letting military and diplomatic officials work things out seems to be the best option, not only in this case, but to avoid future engagements. Opening fire to protect two boats and ten men is a major escalation that would have unknown repercussions.

    Both side's will state their case in their respective media, the crew and boat will be released, and the world will move on.

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    It's being reported that the incident was caused by mechanical failure:

    From the article Iran detains 10 US sailors: what we know:

    US officials told the Associated Press that the ships experienced mechanical failures during their journey, which caused them to drift into Iranian territorial waters.

    According to official US statements and every independent media report, the sailors are not prisoners or hostages.

    Rather, the Iranians have detained them temporarily and are set to release them. The exact release date isn't clear yet; senior defense officials told the Daily Beast that the sailors will be held at least through Wednesday. Obama administration officials reportedly said Iran would not release the sailors immediately because it is currently the middle of the night in Iran and doing so would be "unsafe."


    Multiple statements from US officials to press say that the sailors' detention is only temporary. "We subsequently have been in communication with Iranian authorities, who have informed us of the safety and well-being of our personnel," a US official told CNN. "We have received assurances the sailors will promptly be allowed to continue their journey."

    Reportedly, this was secured (at least in part) by a top-level conversation between Secretary of State John Kerry and Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif. Kerry "personally engaged with Zarif on this issue to try to get to this outcome," a US official told the AP.

    Based on these quotes and other publicly available information, the narrative of events looks to be as follows: Two US boats on a training mission experienced a mechanical failure, which caused them to drift into Iranian territory. The surprised Iranians picked them up and detained the US sailors while they figured out what the Americans were doing there.
     
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    T-123456 Captain Staff Member International Mod

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    Yeah right,''two boats with mechanical failure'',something fishy here.
     
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    I think they are trying to provoke a hostile response from us. We would have much to lose and Iran having everything to gain in that situation from a PR standpoint.

    Let Iran play their games. At the end of the day everybody knows who holds the real power in the Gulf when the shooting starts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Praying_Mantis
     
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    Their leadership might be taking some heat inside Iran from right wing Iranians because of the Nuclear deal with the West so it could be that the government decided to show the people that it still has balls and can "Stand up to the West". Another possibility could be that the IRGC or far right elements in the Iranian military conducted this operation to show the Iranian government that they can't prevent the IRGC from derailing everything the Rouhani government worked for (the nuclear deal).
     
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    I think if both boats simultaneously experience mechanical failures and drifted into Iranian waters then the Iranians should not have had a good reason to detain the sailors. There seems to be something bigger behind this whole event. The Iranians are up to something, they recently fired missiles from a ship right next to our USS Harry S. Truman Aircraft carrier and now they detain our sailors. I think it could be the IRGC trying to influence Iranian foreign policy.
     
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    Its time the US starts acting like the US.
     
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    Iran Releases 10 U.S. Sailors as the Sun Rises Over the Persian Gulf

    Iran released 10 U.S. sailors Wednesday who had been detained a day earlier after their two patrol boats drifted near an Iranian military facility on Farsi Island in the middle of the Persian Gulf.

    “The sailors departed Farsi Island at 8:43 a.m. (GMT), aboard the two Riverine Command Boats (RCB) that they had been operating when they lost contact with the U.S. Navy,” the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet, headquartered in Bahrain, said in a statement. “There are no indications that the Sailors were harmed during their brief detention.”

    Navy officials said the small boats drifted close to Iran’s heavily-defended Farsi Island, apparently after one of them had a malfunction on a training mission from Kuwait to Bahrain. The Iranians, who seemed to accept the U.S. explanation, made clear shortly after the sailors were detained, that they would be released at dawn.

    http://time.com/4178671/iran-american-sailors-released/
     
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