Boeing Going After F-35C with Advanced F-18

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    Boeing smells blood in the water and is coming for Lockheed Martin's F-35 business

    Alex Lockie

    It's no secret that Lockheed Martin's F-35C naval variant has been plagued by cost overruns and setbacks throughout it's production, but now it seems Boeing, Lockheed's main rival, smells blood in the water and is capitalizing on the aircraft's troubles.

    The F-35C promised to revolutionize carrier aircraft by becoming the first stealth plane to launch from catapults at sea, but as production lags and costs rise, even President Donald Trump took notice, calling the program "out of control" and ordering a review of the costs and capabilities compared to Boeing's latest offering.

    As Dan Gillian, Boeing's vice president of F/A-18 and EA-18 programs told Business Insider in January, the defense giant has been working on an update to the F/A-18 for years, and he thinks it could cover a significant portion of the F-35C's job on cost and on schedule.

    Boeing has proposed what it's calling the F/A-18 Advanced Super Hornet, an update on the carrier aircraft that has served the Navy for decades. Meanwhile, F-35 advocates swear that no matter how you modify an F/A-18, it will still lack one essential ingredient that makes the F-35 so revolutionary — stealth.

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    While the Advanced Super Hornet would feature conformal fuel tanks to increase its range, or even possibly an enclosed weapons pod to greatly improve stealth, it will never be as stealthy as the F-35, which was designed with stealth in every angle and curve of its fuselage.

    But here's where the war of words starts to unfold: Boeing maintains that the F-35, with all its stealth, must still rely on Boeing's EA-18, the electronic attack variant of its F/A-18 to beat down enemy radars and signal emitters before the F-35 swoops in.

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    After all of this will the F-35 C fail? Thoughts?
     
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    I think both have capabilities, but i seen a while back that they wanted a F-18 with F-35 capabilities. The thing is i don't believe F-18 has enough capabilities to be like F-35, but the in combat the F-35 would most likely be escorted by F-15/16/18 etc.
     
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    Will the F-35C fail? I doubt it but the United States Navy has never been too hot on the F-35 in general and has favored the F/A-18 and further developments.

    Ultimately what the USN wants is what's going to happen. People tend to forget that US Presidents don't have the power to dictate contracts, they can't force the United States Navy to buy the F/A-18 or dump the F-35. Only the Congressional Budget Office, which oversees the military's budget and the Pentagon itself dictate their direction. Presidents only sign and propose budgets, they don't control them so President Trump can't really do anything about either the F/A-18 or F-35 beyond talking up either option or leveraging ties with Congress.

    Irrespective of the cost of the F-35 if the United States Navy wants it they'll have it. If not, well that's why Boeing is trying to make a play. They know the USN isn't keen on the F-35 as much as the USAF or USMC.

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    Nice airframe, but I think it's still a step down from the F-35.

    Range is a big concern. With a combat load out the F/A-18 has half the range of the F-35C. Newer engines or enclosed weapons pods might help to streamline the aerodynamics associated with external weapons, but will they close the gap? I doubt that even an updated Hornet will have the range of the F-35 unless they opt to go with a purely internal stores arrangement like the F-15 Silent Eagle which stores weapons in its Conformal Fuel Tanks.

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    Once upon a time the F-15N was pitted against the F-14 as the USN's new carrier aircraft.

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    Maybe the concept can be revived with an F-15 NSE?
     
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    Boeing unveiled a new version of the F-18 to compete with the F-35C

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