China and RIMPAC 2016

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    Cossack25A1 1st Lieutenant

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    China still on RIMPAC invite list, despite concerns from Congress
    By Erik Slavin
    Stars and Stripes

    Published: March 23, 2016


    YOKOSUKA NAVAL BASE, Japan — Defense Secretary Ash Carter said Tuesday the Pentagon is “constantly evaluating” China’s militarization of the South China Sea but stopped short of agreeing with a Hawaii congressman’s proposal to revoke China’s invitation to a prestigious global naval exercise.

    Carter described China’s construction of military facilities and artificial islands atop reefs claimed by other nations in the Asia-Pacific region as behavior that isolated Beijing, during questioning by Congressman Mark Takai, D-Hawaii, at a House Armed Services Committee hearing on the 2017 defense budget.

    Takai wants to exclude China from this summer’s Rim of the Pacific 2016, the world’s largest biannual naval exercise.

    The exercise, which is primarily based in Hawaii, included 22 participant nations and six observer nations in 2014.

    More -> http://www.stripes.com/news/china-s...-list-despite-concerns-from-congress-1.400661



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    This Is Why America Needs to Kick China Out of RIMPAC
    Shirley Kan

    April 19, 2016


    Hawaii’s Rep. Mark Takai has objected to China’s participation at the 2016 Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) exercise based at Pearl Harbor. Takai also would amend the FY2017 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) to bar China if its invitation is not revoked by the Pentagon. The Obama Administration should rescind the conditional invitation for the PLA to join RIMPAC 2016.

    While the Navy’s Third Fleet in San Diego technically invites foreign navies to RIMPAC, the review of whether to include China’s People’s Liberation Army (PLA) Navy reflects the views of PACOM, the Navy, the Pentagon, and the White House. PLA presence at the premier maritime warfare exercise remains sensitive, because of concerns about protecting US and allied technology, tactics, techniques, and procedures; preventing disclosure of defense articles and services; complying with US laws; and including China but excluding Taiwan despite US assistance to Taiwan against China’s threats.

    As Takai pointed out, China’s behavior in the South China Sea is the “polar opposite of US objectives” and entertaining the PLA at RIMPAC would reward China for bad behavior. China has faced little cost for bad behavior that is wide-ranging, including the PLA’s cyber-enabled theft of US economic secrets and declaration of an “East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ)” in 2013 to attempt to nationalize international airspace over that sea. Concerns are rising about China’s future claim of a similarly restrictive and threatening “South China Sea ADIZ.” RIMPAC would legitimize and help the PLA in exercises aimed to help and reassure allies and partners, some facing China’s menace.

    More -> http://www.nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-america-needs-kick-china-out-rimpac-15833
     
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    Falcon Major Staff Member Social Media Team

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    It doesn't make any sense to let them in. They want to restrict our ability to navigate in international waters and air space. There is a serious concern that China could try to prevent us from doing so by force.They are not compromising on any issues and are a serious threat to our Allies. Overtime they participate in this exercise they are trying to suck in as much intel on us as they can.
     
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    I'm on the other side from people here. Letting them in is a good idea. Even if they adhere to the standard protocols of keeping radars and other critical electronics off for the majority of the exercises, there are still important metrics that can be cataloged during these exercises that would be difficult to gain during peace-time non-exercises ops, such as FONOPs.

    Passive listening of acoustic or electromagnetic signatures, radar emissions, the command chain - such as who talks to who and when - from a technical perspective I think it makes sense.

    From a diplomatic perspective it's of less value since inviting China to RIMPAC could be conceived by US allies that they aren't being tough enough of China and can't be counted on. Or maybe this is a good thing that'll help get the anchors out of some pants in the region?

    Would they not send a spy ship if not invited?

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    Perhaps if they are invited again they'll keep it home this time as they wont be invited again if it shows up this time around. They'll bring other listening assets though, just as the US will.

    One way or another China's spying on RIMPAC, why not get in on the action too?
     
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    Sven Teh Viking dood Industry Professional Ret. Military

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    I second this. The US is pretty anal about their security protocols and limit the amount of useful data an adversary, or friend, can gather during such exercises. But RIMPAC takes place in US waters, waters we do monitor. And with China smart enough to avoid anything provokotive or stupid at home - like locking their firecontrol radars onto US ships, we need exercises like these to cataloge these metrics because they wont be able to avoid turning them on if they actually want to participate, and if they don't they'll not be back again the next time around.

    1.Invite China

    2. Catalogue some key metrics

    3.Share that data with allies in the SCS

    4. ?

    5. Profit!

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    I'm surprised you Norgies didn't melt at RIMPAC:p.

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    Falcon Major Staff Member Social Media Team

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    There is the risk of pissing off China if we don't invite them but relations are relatively cold anyway. If it wasn't for our economic relations we wouldn't have much to do with them.
     
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