Eagle VS Flanker

Discussion in 'Air & Space' started by Cybermat47, Mar 1, 2016.

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Which is the better air-to-air combat aircraft?

  1. Eagle (Overall)

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  2. Flanker (Overall)

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  3. Eagle (BVR) - Flanker (WVR)

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  4. Eagle (WVR) - Flanker (BVR)

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  1. Cybermat47

    Cybermat47 2nd Lieutenant

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    F-15 C Eagle
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    Su-27 Flanker
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    Given the nature of modern air warfare, the poll is set up so you can say that one aircraft is overall better than the other, or if one is better at BVR (Beyond Visual Range) or WVR (Within Visual Range).
     
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  2. Falcon

    Falcon Major Staff Member Social Media Team

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    The Flanker is very very very agile and has unbelievable maneuverability, as a matter of fact the Russia Knights (Russias Aerobatic Team) uses them for their air shows.

    Look at this maneuver :



    Here is a good excerpt on some dog fighting tests done between the Eagle and the Flanker:

    "Several Su-27 jets landed at Langley US air base in the summer of 1992, upon the agreement with the US side. Russian pilots examined F-15 jets at the base and proposed a simulated combat. The US pilots did not like the idea much: they thought that it would be too risky to hold the fight above the base in front of photographers and TV cameras. They eventually accepted the offer, but agreed to hold the mock fight above the Atlantic Ocean, 200 kilometers far from the coast.

    The scheme of the mock fight was very simple. A Sukhoi was supposed to fly behind a US jet, and the planes were supposed to switch places with one another.

    A US plane attempted to fly away from the Russian jet, but the Russian pilot caught up with the F-15 very easily. The planes switched places, and the Su-27 flew away from the F-15 making a turn and gaining altitude. The Russian jet found itself behind the American fighter a couple of minutes later. The F-125 pilot lost the Russian aircraft out of sight and could not escape from it afterwards: the Russian pilot was keeping the F-15 covered.

    The F-15 lost another battle with Russia’s Su-27 in the autumn of 2000, during the US-Japanese drills in the Pacific Ocean. Two Su-27 jets, covering the Su-24MP, conducted a sudden attack of the flagship of the US 7th fleet, Kitty Hawk. The US aircraft carrier would have been destroyed in real combat conditions."

    - See more at: http://www.pravdareport.com/world/americas/20-07-2009/108253-su27-0/#sthash.Pkfo0ZrF.dpuf

    Here is a report on how the Russians have caught up with various aviation technologies, mainly the electronic side of things. The article says that they are pretty much at our level.
    http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-2008-04.html

    The Russians have also modernized their SU-27's. Other operators may not have done so.

    The Su-27 modernization covers significant increase of combat effectiveness of the aircraft in air-to-air and air-to-surface modes. In the latter - due to the application of high-precision weapon such as Kh-29T/TE/L, KAB-500KR, KAB-1500KR, Kh-31P, and Kh-31A; in the former one - due to application of the RVV-AE missile with an active radar homing head, and installation of the up-to-date sophisticated avionics that increase survivability and invulnerability of the aircraft. The aircraft's other systems were also upgraded within modernization that allowed to increase the aircraft combat effectiveness and extend its service life.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/su-27sm.htm

    Now we come to the F-15. The F-15 has shot down many adversaries without suffering a single loss. The F-15 has seen a lot of combat so I think all of the upgrades done to it are based on hard earned experience and are probably very effective. The F-15 is also very maneuverable, just because the SU-27 may be more manuevarable doesn't mean that the F-15 is un-maneuverable. I think this fight would be a very close call that would come down to pilot training and access to information on what is going on in the skies.

    I will place my vote after I see some other opinions.

    @Cybermat47 I wrote this at 9:00 A.M my time, where you are its 1:00 A.M. :0o:
     
  3. Technofox

    Technofox That Norwegian girl Staff Member Ret. Military Developer

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    I voted for the Eagle... for now. Besides the quality of the pilots and their respective tactics and training, what really peaked my stance one way or another was the avionics on each aircraft, especially at long range.

    Not all, but many USAF Eagles have an AESA radar, the AN/APG-63(V)3.

    Barring the most modern iteration of the Flanker - the T-50, and like the majority of the USAF and USANG's F-15s, they SU-XX series is still using an older PESA radar, the Irbis-E:

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    That's a quality radar mind you. But, given the states of Russia's economy versus that of the US, even with the Russian government's focus on defense modernization, it's more likely the US will see additional F-15 upgrades before Russia can retrofit an AESA onto the SU-XX series.

    The F-15's going to see the Flanker first.

    Within visible range the Eagle is going up against on of the most potent and agile adversaries around today, especially when you consider it has one advantage the F-15 doesn't... the OLS-35 IRST:

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    The Eagle has an IRST too, in the form of a modernized ANS-42, which is a version of the IRST that graced the F-14!

    *Same pod as found on Hornets too.

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    Because it's a pod, this limits the Eagle's WVR maneuverability versus the Flanker which has a built-in IRST.

    Russian WVR and BVR missiles are notoriously deadly, as are those from the US.

    I give the Eagle an edge in BVR for now, if only because of its AESA upgrade, no to mention the USAF's plethora of early warning aircraft, but within visible range the Eagle is at a serious disadvantage, assuming we are measuring aircraft against aircraft only.
     
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    Osmanovic 1st Lieutenant

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    What if the SU-27 had western electronics? Would it be superior to the F-15?
     
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