F-35 Simulator Results Worry Australia

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    Australia Should Buy F-22s, Not F-35s, Says Retired RAAF Wing Commander
    AuA submission to a Senate inquiry into the feasibility of Government’s planned purchase of at least 72 F-35 Lightning II fighter jets says that the multirole planes will be instantly outmatched in air superiority by the airborne wings of competing countries in the region like China and Indonesia, and will fare even worse against future threats. It suggests — hypothetically — that Australia instead push for the F-22 Raptor, a jet that the United States has never sold to even its closest military allies.
    A simulation showing six F-35s versus six Sukhoi SU-35S, Indonesia’s intended future air superiority fighter choice for its air force, suggests that 2.36 Joint Strike Fighters would be lost for every SU-35S downed. The simulation was run on H3MilSim software developed by Mills’ RepSim, a company he and a colleague set up after retiring from the RAAF.

    A simulation of the aerially superior F-22 Raptor, though, results in an almost precisely opposite outcome — with 2.14 Sukhoi jets destroyed per F-22 loss. While the F-35 is a newer jet, it is a multirole fighter capable of ground attack and reconnaissance, while the F-22 has the sole role of air superiority and supremacy in enemy airspace.

    http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2016/02/a...s-not-f-35s-says-retired-raaf-wing-commander/
     
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    Falcon Lieutenant Colonel Staff Member Social Media Team

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    What needs to be looked at here is the credibility of the simulator. Obviously its doing something right because the F-22 came out on top, what is not known is what was precisely test in the simulator. Did they test BVR or only WVR combat? Were the F-35's stealth capabilities taken into account? Were the networking abilities of the F-35 taken into account?

    H3 MilSim (Harpoon 3 Pro)

    Four Key Points:

    1. The primary value that H3 MilSim (Harpoon 3 Pro) brings to the activity is discipline. All entities in the simulation are defined according to well understood metrics, there is no magic, nor “I’m senior, and therefore I’m right” noise with respect to capabilities.
    2. Transparency. Everybody can see and appreciate, if not understand, the absolute and relative metrics applied to all the entities: be they ships, aircraft, weapons, sensors, or communications systems. Range, speed, capacity, altitude, etc are self evident. The development of a common frame of reference is critical to an informed discussion and debate on further issues as they arise.
    3. Comprehensive integration of all entities into the same scenario. Many simulations are restricted to particular environments or system types and the exclusion of other advanced systems, integrated in the real world, can lead to erroneous outcomes based upon the failure to include such systems at all or an incorrect assumption regarding their potential implications.
    4. The lack of cultural bias – there is no provision for delusion factors and weightings such as aggression, training, morale etc in a simulation where the weapons are fired beyond the targets ability to see it and the system responses are the only means available to defeat the threat.
    H3 MilSim (Harpoon 3 Pro) can not only be run as a defined activity against an artificial opponent (AI) at the strategic, operational and tactical levels concurrently but can also have multiplayer activity conducted. This enables Red and Blue to directly confront each other according to scripts, free play, or B-Tree analysis. It can generate and broadcast DIS compliant information regarding any scenario thus enabling it to support more limited military specific DIS compliant simulators. These can be networked as necessary.

    http://www.h3milsim.net

    The F-35 is a Multirole Fighter and the SU-35 is an Air Superiority Fighter, the F-35 is designed to fill multiple roles. We have the F-15 and F-22 to take care of enemy air superiority.

    I think we determined in this thread that the F-16 isn't hopeless against the SU-35, I would imagine that the F-35 isn't either:
    https://www.americanmilitaryforum.c...s-americas-f-16-fighting-falcon-who-wins.525/

    But what about this:

    "So many questions. We’ll try to answer them because the folks at War Is Boring got their hands on a hot document — an F-35 pilot’s evaluation of an early test of the F-35 against the F-16. Colleague David Axe got the scoop. Basically, the F-35 test pilot said the F-16 could outmanuever the F-35 in most cases during a close engagement, or what most people would call a dogfight.

    Here’s where we get to the really complicated bit. Does it matter? Well, of course it matters if the F-35 pilot is in a dogfight and loses. But if you talk with Air Force and Marine pilots who’ve flown the Harrier, the F-18 and the F-16, every one of them I’ve talked with says the F-35 is a superior aircraft. They’ve said it on the USS Wasp. They’ve said it on the USS Enterprise and they’ve said it in the halls of the Pentagon and at Fort Worth, where the F-35 and the F-16 are made."
     
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    The fact is that most or all of everyone in the military that has experience with fighter jets or as a matter of fact any other aircraft are saying that the F-35 is superior to what we have now. I have a cousin in the Air Force who is saying the same thing. I talked to one of his buddies who said the same thing as well.

    The capabilities of the F-35 were shown to greatly add to overall combat effectiveness at Checkered Flag 2015.
    https://www.americanmilitaryforum.com/forums/threads/checkered-flag-exercise-2015.367/
     
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