Former Philippine President went to Hong Kong to talk with the Chinese government.

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    Ramos arrives in Hong Kong, talks China ties
    (Associated Press)
    Updated August 9, 2016 - 4:31pm


    HONG KONG — Former Philippine President Fidel Ramos said Tuesday that he wants to focus on points of common interest with China such as tourism and commercial fishing as part of efforts to smooth relations with Beijing roiled by the South China Sea dispute.

    Current Philippine President Rodrigo Duterte has asked the 88-year-old Ramos to act as his special envoy to pave the way for talks with Beijing after an international arbitration tribunal last month invalidated China's expansive territorial claims in a case put forward by the Philippines.

    Ramos spoke with reporters Tuesday in Hong Kong, where he said he plans to meet old friends with links to officials in Beijing as a prelude to further contacts.

    "That's why we're standing by, and if there's any development, the general consul will be the first one to know and she will inform us," Ramos said.

    China has denied Philippine fishermen access to traditional grounds lying within the Philippines' 200-nautical-mile (370-kilometer) exclusive economic zone, an area Ramos implied the countries could share.

    Discussing an agenda for talks, Ramos pointed to "some irritations that we would like to eliminate or at least remedy so that we can have common points of interest."

    "One of them is more tourism, more fishing in the common fishing ground, which is within the Philippine (exclusive economic zone), but where the Chinese fishermen have also identified as being part of their traditional fishing grounds," Ramos said.

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    FVR meets senior Chinese official to mend PHL-China ties
    Published August 12, 2016 12:44pm

    Former Philippine leader Fidel Ramos said Friday he had met with a senior Chinese official during a trip to Hong Kong aimed at improving ties between Manila and Beijing, with both sides working towards formal discussions.

    Relations have cooled since a UN-backed tribunal ruled last month that China's claims over most of the South China Sea were invalid, in a sweeping victory for the Philippines which brought the case.

    The Philippines refers to parts of the South China Sea as West Philippine Sea.

    Ramos – a longtime advocate of closer Philippine-Chinese ties – was sent as a conciliatory envoy by President Rodrigo Duterte.

    In a two-day meeting in Hong Kong, Ramos said he had discussions with Madam Fu Ying, chair of the foreign affairs committee of the National People's Congress – China's communist-controlled legislature. Fu Ying is a former ambassador to Manila.

    He also met with Wu Shichun, president of China's National Institute of South China Seas Studies.

    In a statement signed by Ramos, Fu Ying and Wu, the meeting was described as between "old friends" and had taken place "in a friendly atmosphere."

    It listed seven topics that had been covered, including marine preservation and co-operation on crime-fighting and smuggling.

    Ramos told reporters they had not discussed territorial disputes in the South China Sea, but had talked about fishing rights there.

    "They discussed, in their private capacity, the way forward in the spirit of universal brotherhood and sisterhood for peace and cooperation between the two countries," the joint statement said.

    It added that all parties "looked forward" to the start of formal talks which it said would be continued in Beijing and Manila.

    Ramos said there would be a second round of discussions soon.

    "As to where this will take place we don't know yet. We have to go back to Manila to find out the latest developments on the official side," he said.

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    FVR pushes for return of fishing tradition in disputed water
    by Aaron B. Recuenco
    August 14, 2016


    The meeting was “very hospitable, very encouraging.” But the United Nations Tribunal ruling that sided with the Philippines in its territorial claim in the West Philippine Sea was not discussed when special envoy to China former President Fidel V. Ramos met with Fu Ying, chairperson of the Foreign Affairs Committee of China’s National People’s Congress and Professor Wu Shicun, president of China’s National Institute for South China Sea studies last week in Hongkong.

    Instead, the former president pushed for the return of the status quo where fishermen would be allowed to venture and fish in the West Philippine Sea.

    “We talked about fishing, return of what is called fishing status quo ante before the conflict, to restore the fishing according to the rights accorded by tradition,” said Ramos in a press briefing at Camp Aguinaldo in Quezon City yesterday.

    “And that means, the Philippines, China and even Vietnam is included in that tradition,” he added.

    President Rodrigo R. Duterte appointed Ramos who has earned the respect of senior Chinese officials to pave the way for improved ties with China.

    Prior to his meeting with the two Chinese representatives, Ramos said he would seek to improve economic and tourism links, such as by allowing “more fishing in the common fishing ground” of the Scarborough shoal in the Philippine’ exclusive economic zone (EEZ).

    “The idea is to use the South China Sea as a place to save lives, but not to kill people or to destroy lives,” he added.

    Following reports that Filipino fishermen were being harassed by the Chinese Coastguard while fishing in Philippine waters, President Duterte said he conveyed to the Chinese Ambassador during their first meeting in Davao city following his election, his desire for Filipino fishermen to fish in the vicinity of Scarborough shoal. The fishermen reported that the harassment eased following the President’s appeal.

    The shoal is 230 kilometers (140 miles) off Luzon and 650 kilometers from Hainan island, the nearest major Chinese landmass.

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    Only the Mainlanders will benefit because the opening of negotiations meant ignoring the Hague PCA decision.

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    Ramos in Hong Kong: already giving up on the South China Sea?
    August 10, 2016
    By Dung Phan


    President Duterte’s special envoy, and former Philippine President, Fidel Ramos has just left for Hong Kong. He is on a mission, “to rekindle, to warm up, again, our good, friendly, neighbourly relations with China,” in the aftermath of the latest round of the two countries territorial dispute in the South China Sea.

    The former president has vast experience maintaining good relations with Beijing yet the 88-year-old retired general told reporters that the meeting would be, “a renewal of friendship”, not focusing on “any substantive matters.” Ramos said he wanted to promote economic and tourism links, such as allowing, “more fishing in the common fishing ground” of the Scarborough shoal in the Philippines’ exclusive economic zone.

    He expressed an, “optimistic” attitude towards his, “ice-breaker” visit, telling reporters in Hong Kong he has always been “looking for the best results.”

    China’s state news agency, Xinhua shared the same sentiment, hoping the visit, “brings a whiff of hope”. The state outlet went further, saying, “Ramos’ visit, which represents the first concrete step on the Philippine side to engage in bilateral talks with China on the South China Sea, could open a new chapter in settling disputes,”

    Is Ramos the best choice?

    In November 1996, President Jiang Zemin embarked on the first ever visit by a Chinese head of state to the Philippines. One of the highlights of that trip was a karaoke event where he and Ramos enjoyed dancing and singing Western love songs and popular melodies on a Manila Bay cruise. Such a memorable moment, however, did not stop China’s plan to seize the Mischief Reef. Some even said it was lost under Ramos’ presidency.

    To explain what happened, back in February 1995 Philippine forces discovered a number of octagonal huts on the Mischief Reef in the Spratlys which China claimed were only “shelters” for Chinese fishermen in the area. While the two presidents were having a good time singing old time favourites like “Love me tender” or “Let me call you sweetheart”, the Chinese were upgrading the facilities.

    The Mischief conflict flared up again in November 1998, when aerial photographs taken by the Philippines Air Force detected a 300-metre pier and new barracks which had been converted to an artificial island. The Philippine Defence Secretary Orlando Mercado called them, “a creeping invasion”. Meanwhile a senior Department of Foreign Affairs official gave the view that once China had occupied Mischief Reef and engaged in construction, the Philippines had already lost it.

    Manila successfully enlisted unprecedented support from ASEAN members and managed to cultivate friendlier relations with China after this incident. And Philippine officials regarded these diplomatic attempts as a success. Although China did not dismantle what it had built on Mischief Reef, the country promised not to take any further actions in the Spratly Islands.

    However in 1997, the Philippines again discovered three Chinese warships and another “hut-like” structure.

    Ramos has, at best, a patchy reputation at effectively handling China.

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    @Cossack25A1 When he is talking about traditional fishing grounds for all countries in the area does that mean that the current gov.t of the Phillipines is proposing a solution where everyone shares the SCS? I don't think this would work out very well for anyone except for China as they have massive fishing fleets that work extremely efficiently.
     
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    Yes, and there is a chance that this negotiations will not mention the Hague PCA decision.

    The problem is that for China, they believe in this idea: What is theirs is theirs, and what is yours we "share". China is not willing to share with anyone, even if that resources is inside your territory.

    Sadly, there are some Filipinos who would prefer compromise at the expense of losing the PH's Western EEZ to China.
     
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    Bound to happen. Duterte will negotiate to reach a compromise.
     
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    But most of the filipinos are nationalist and hates china
     
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