France planning to build and DOMINATE EU Army, Nato claims as nation neglects duties

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  1. Vergennes

    Vergennes Captain Staff Member Ret. Military International Mod

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    France pulled out of Nato in 1966 and rejoined in 2009

    A well-placed Nato source said Paris was concentrating its diplomatic efforts on creating the pan-European force, over which it believes it would wield more control than the existing North Atlantic military alliance.

    The Belgium-based Nato source told Express.co.uk French officials were directing their energy towards an EU army at the expense of its existing military obligations.

    France pulled out of the US-led alliance in 1966 and only rejoined seven years ago, despite deep reservations at the time about forfeiting its military independence.


    Now it appears fresh doubts are being raised in Paris about Washington's dominance in Nato.


    Asked if any member states were not pulling their weight in the multi-national alliance, a Nato representative speaking to Express.co.uk on condition of anonymity named France as one of the culprits.

    The source claimed Paris was frustrated with its lack of say and would rather concentrate on an EU army which it could better influence.

    When France rejoined Nato in 2009 it made several demands, including maintaining full discretion over France's contribution to joint military operations.

    It also insisted on maintaining its nulcear independence, opting out of Nato's Nuclear Planning Group, which determines the Alliance's nuclear policy.

    But Nato insists France has been a "faithful ally" to the alliance despite its 40-year break.

    France and Germany have been vocal in their support of a combined EU force in recent years, as both nations push for further European integration.

    A German white paper leaked earlier this month revealed Berlin was pushing for permanent cooperation between EU member states' national armies.

    It follows sustained French calls for an EU army, with French Prime Minister Manuel Valls claiming last year that such a force already existed.


    He said at the time: "We hope to make progress with the European defence policy, which is indispensable in light of the peace and security challenges that Europe faces from its surrounding countries, to which we must find a common response."

    Nato commanders acknowledge that some of the alliance's 28 members will commit fewer resources than others, as contributions to the bloc are calculated on the basis of gross national income.

    Diplomats in London and Washington have also publicly warned against European free-riders.


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    Nato insists France has been a “faithful ally” to the alliance

    Sir Adam Thomson, Britain's Permanent Representative to Nato, said in a recent interview that "Europeans do need to start pulling their weight when it comes to investing in defence".

    He said: "Europe should not expect to lean so heavily on the United States to bankroll Europe's security and defence. The UK feels able to stand up and say this because we are one of regrettably very few Nato countries that has met, and will continue to meet, all Nato's spending targets."

    France has failed to meet the Nato requirement of 2 per cent defence spending as a proportion of GDP.

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    Nato Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg and French president Francois Hollande

    But the French still pay a large portion of Nato’s budget - 10.6 per cent of the alliance’s total spend compared with 9.8 per cent attributed to the UK and 22.1 per cent claimed by the US.

    A French Nato source questioned about the country’s low profile told Express.co.uk the French contribution to the military alliance was a matter for France’s defence minister.

    The comments follows renewed claims of an EU deal to form a defensive alliance.

    A policy paper drawn up by Brussels' foreign policy chief suggests the organisation could "step up" its contribution to security defence.

    The British Government responded to the reports by insisting there were no plans to join an EU army.

    A spokesman said: "The Prime Minister has repeatedly made clear that the UK will never be a part of an EU army. We retain a veto on all defence matters in the EU and we will oppose any measures which would undermine member states' military forces."

    http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/674596/France-neglecting-Nato-focus-creation-EU-army
     
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  2. Pathfinder

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    France plans to dominate but I am sure that Angela will not sit idly by. Ooh this is getting interesting.

    “Prominent German think tanks and politicians are calling for the establishment of an EU army,” wrote German-Foreign-Policy. Its not just that Germany is rearming itself. Far more is involved.

    Germany aims to control any European military that might be created. Already “integration options” are starting to happen, such as the embedding a paratrooper unit from the Netherlands under German command for covert operations and counter-insurgency, and is seen as a “milestone of integration.” Soon an armored contingent, also from the Netherlands, will be attached to a German cavalry unit, and The European Air Transport Command (EATC), based in the Netherlands, is under a German commander. These are being praised as “effective model(s) of cooperation” for all of Europe.

    http://ktfnews.com/germany-building-eu-army/

    Germany has a lot of financial power over many EU States especially the poorer ones, this gives them an advantage but France has better power projection capabilities.
     
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    We are calling Germany to take a more pro-active role in the defense of Europe and the safeguard of the Union's interests all over the world.
    They have the money,the capabilities and a bright military industry to become the european military power. But I doub't that the liberal and the 'ashamed of history' circles of the german society would let the german army rise again and be more powerful.....saying there are other priorities than army.... @Bundeswehr
     
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    If Trump gets elected the Europeans should just kiss NATO good bye:

    "NATO's top military officer, General Petr Pavel, denounced U.S. presidential candidate Donald Trump on Friday for criticizing the alliance as obsolete and said such comments played to the hands of its opponents.

    In unusual criticism of a presidential candidate, Pavel, chairman of the NATO Military Committee, said in an interview that Russian "President (Vladimir) Putin and some others may be pleased by this approach".

    "To take such an approach would be a great mistake," he said.

    Trump, the presumptive Republican nominee in the Nov. 8 U.S. presidential election, has criticized the decades-old NATO alliance with mainly European nations - a cornerstone of U.S. foreign policy - as obsolete and too costly for the United States."

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-asia-security-nato-idUSKCN0YP1AL

    Over the past few years we have been pivoting to the Pacific. We are stationing a lot of forces in that Asia-Pacific region, this doesn't do much for our NATO allies especially the Eastern European ones. Much of the worlds economy is shifting east, naturally our interests will follow that. Europe is aging and is facing financial problem, the East is where the show is. After WW2 a lot of investments went into Europe because it had to be rebuilt, now a lot of money is going into Asia as those countries industrialize. Our economic interests there are growing thus our military presence grows. Our economic interests in Europe are not as significant as they used to be. Eastern Europe is pretty much on its when it comes to Russia, we aren't going to risk WW3 and the Russians know that, if Trump becomes president then that is a guarantee.

    Its best for Europe to go its own way. Lets face it, NATO is our baby and mostly serves our interests. Others benefit too but we get the most out of it. If we didn't we would't put the most in.
     
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    we have been kicking into gears for a while now, like helping arm, train the Kurds against ISIS plus we have sent an additional 550 troops to Mali,totaling 880 troops and in Kurdistan we deployed ~250 troops.
     
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    Germany is acquiring at least 40 A-400M's and they made an agreement with Holland to use some of their LHD's or LPD's. This is a definitive sign that Germany is trying to enhance its power projection capabilities.
     
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    well since we are increasing troop size, we have ordered more armored vehicles to help supplement this growth.
     
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    Which order do you mean? Btw you know, the parliament has not yet approved the expansion.
     
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    I think he's talking about this new batch of GTK Boxers.

    Germany's Army To Procure 131 New Boxer Armored Personnel Carriers

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ew-boxer-armored-personnel-carriers/77491026/
     
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