K9, Caesar, M109G, and PZH-2000 Compete in Norwegian SPA Tender

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  1. Pathfinder

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    Norwegian SPA Tender

    Norway currently operates 14 ageing M109A3GN tracked SPAs, which are in need of replacement by 2020 at the latest. According to the DAM, Norway is planning to buy between 18 and 24 new SPAs to replace them, although an overall budget has yet to be assigned by the Norwegian Ministry of Defence (MoD).

    The contenders to replace the M109A3GNs are the tracked Samsung Techwin K9 Thunder, the wheeled Nexter Systems Caesar, the tracked Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) Panzerhaubitze 2000 (PzH 2000), and a modernised M109 offered by RUAG.

    http://www.janes.com/article/57738/norway-downselects-artillery-contenders




     
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    Technofox That Norwegian girl Staff Member Ret. Military Developer

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    A bid for Archer was cancelled in 2013, though I'd like to have seen the system further developed by Sweden and Norway:

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    Given we already use the M109, and upgrade makes sense.

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    K9 is virtually the same as modernized M109s, so I don't know what it offers that upgraded M109s wouldn't, other than more cost.
     
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    Caesar is not good for Norway because tracked vehicles are better in the snow, K9 and PZH-200 are fine but the M109G is the logical solution. The old ones can be kept for spare parts.

    Does the M109G have the same range as the others? I don't think the M109G has 40km range.
     
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    I don't think Caesar would be a bad choice. Wheel with chains or variable pressures can travers snow rather well, like with the Archer:

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    Range:
    -M109A7 = 22km (standard projectile) & 30km (Rocket Assisted Projectile)
    -Caesar = Up to 40km range
    -K9 Thunder = Up to 40 km range
    -PZH 2000 = Up to 40km

    Rate of Fire:
    -M109A7 = 1 round per minute sustained & 4 rounds per minute maximum
    -Caesar = 6-8 rounds per minute sustained & 3 rounds in 15 seconds rapid fire
    -K9 Thunder = 6-8 rounds per minute for 3 minutes & 3 rounds in 15 seconds & 2-3 rounds a minute for 1 hour continuous firing
    -PZH 2000 = fire of 3 rounds in under 10 seconds and loading of 60 shells by two operators within 12 minutes, including the collation of ammunition data. The firing rate of the PzH 2000 was 12 rounds in 59.74 seconds, and 20 rounds in one minute 47 seconds

    Operational Range:

    -M109A7 = 322 km
    -Caesar = 600 km
    -K9 Thunder = 480 km
    -PZH 2000 = 420 km

    Good luck Paladin!!! $%$%
     
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