Listen to what the pilots say about the F-35? How about this retired LTCol from the Danish Air Force

Discussion in 'F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Program' started by Vergennes, Feb 25, 2016.

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  1. Vergennes

    Vergennes Captain Staff Member Ret. Military International Mod

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    via Australian Senate Submission on the F-35 (Link and item 35).

    "We also simulated Joint Strike Fighter against Russian fighter aircraft where we flew two against two.
    In the forenoon I and the Danish test pilot was flying Joint Strike Fighters against two Russian fighters. In the afternoon we swapped, so we flew Russian fighter aircraft against the Joint Strike Fighter.
    In the afternoon the first thing the test pilot and I noticed was that the Russian fighters was not loaded with the best air-to-air missiles as the Russians have in real life. We therefore asked about getting some better. It was denied us. We two pilots complained but it was not changed.
    My test pilot and I decided in our simulated Russian combat aircraft to fly “line abreast”, but with 25 nautical miles distance. Then at least one of us could with radar look into the side of the Joint Strike Fighter and thus view it at long distance. The one who “saw” the Joint Strike Fighter could then link the radar image to the other. Then missiles could be fired at long distance at the Joint Strike Fighter.
    It was also denied us, although we protested this incomprehensible disposition.
    It was now quite clear to us that with the directives and emotional limitations simulations would in no waygive a true and fair view of anything. On the other hand, it would show that the Joint Strike Fighter was a good air defense fighter, which in no way can be inferred from the simulations. We spoke loudly and clearly that this way was manipulating with the Joint Strike Fighter air defence capability.
    Because of these circumstances, I would not let the Danish Air Force be included as part of the totally misleading/non-transparent results, which alone would show Joint Strike Fighters superiority in the air defence role, which it would not have been against an opponent with missiles with a performance than those who we were given permission to. Also there was given major obstacles in the way flying tactically against the Joint Strike Fighter.
    We therefore left simulations, returned to Denmark and complained to the Chief of Staff Tactical Air Command and technical manager Air Material Command."


    The LtCol is basically saying that we're seeing organized and coordinated fraud by Lockheed Martin, the Joint Program Office, certain officer in the USMC and USAF and worst of all the US Dept of Defense.


    http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.fr/2016/02/listen-to-what-pilots-say-about-f-35.html
     
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    This is really serious, we have invested $1.3 trillion in this program so seeing information like this is very saddening and quiet frankly very embarrassing. The question now arises as to why other countries are going to buy the F-35, they can easily buy the Rafael or Eurofighter to upgrade their Air Forces. Alot of bad news is coming out of Australia with the F-35, that failed simulator tests and now this.$%$%
     
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    Vergennes Captain Staff Member Ret. Military International Mod

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    If you are talking about the European countries.... well they are a lost cause. + US pressures ! :D
     
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    I think they will all cut orders for the F-35 if all of this bad news turns out to really effect the minds of military acquisition departments. The F-35 is however the only 5th generation fighter available for sale but now the usefulness of this 5th generation fighter is in question. Lets see how everyone else 5th gens fair, they keep all of their tests and stats under the rug.
     
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    Falcon Lieutenant Colonel Staff Member Social Media Team

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    Cough cough China |Yawn|

    The news is really not looking any good for the F-35, according to multiple pilots, simulations, and tests it is not a good dog fighter. All of this money was spent and we still arn't the kid with the coolest toy.

    Something that concerns me is that Israel only plans to acquire 40 F-35's. Why is this number so low for such a large Air Force? Is it because no regional country is getting it or is it because they don't trust it?
    http://www.news.com.au/technology/i...t/news-story/d4c120babe07e2549dd5fe159d1b57c0
     
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    Vergennes Captain Staff Member Ret. Military International Mod

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    If i'm not wrong,there's even a temperature problem with the F-35 which could affect some countries like Australia,Italy....

    http://www.defense-aerospace.com/ar...-needs-white-fuel-trucks,-parking-shades.html


    The replacement of the F16s and F15s will wait as they are modernizing both. These planes will remain during decades the backbone of the IAF.


    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/israel-kicks-off-program-to-improve-its-f16s-and-f15s-01796/

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    Weren't they talking about acquiring F 15 Silent eagle ?

    Boeing's Stealthy F-15 "Silent Eagle" May Fly After All

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    http://www.popularmechanics.com/mil...52/boeings-stealthy-f-15-silent-eagle-israel/
     
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