Lockheed Martin unveils tanker concept to refuel stealth aircraft

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    Lockheed Martin has unveiled its concept of next-generation wing-body tanker aircraft for refuel fighters like the F-22 and F-35. That was reported by Graham Warwick.

    The concept of new stealth tanker aircraft was displayed for the first time at AIAA SciTech Forum. Lockheed has already begun wind-tunnel testing on a four percent scale model of a new Hybrid Wing Body (HWB) airlifter designed for maximized aerodynamic efficiency. As Lockheed’s aerospace engineers conduct flight tests on the 45-pound HWB model, they could use the data not only to develop the HWB but also to jumpstart a tanker program with a similar blended wing-body design.

    The U.S. Air Force Air Mobility Command recently announced the “KC-Z” program intended to develop a next-generation tanker aircraft—one that could fly into dangerous airspace to support stealth strike fighters like the F-22 and F-35—by 2035.

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    Ha! Funny concept. What did they mean with "dangerous airspace"?
     
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    The concept is actually very good, if you have stealth aircraft they naturally need to be refueled. Refusing them with conventional non-stealth tankers is not logical hence this solution.

    Dangerous airspace most likely implies airspace fully controlled by the enemy or in reach of enemy aircraft. A conventional tanker would give away the location of our stealth aircraft in an environment like that.
     
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    The simple fact is that stealth aircraft today can't use their full capabilities because of this capability gap. Once these new tankers come out stealth squadrons will be more effective and have the capability to carry out more dangerous missions.
     
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    Yes, it can be usefull in some situations. May be. May be not. But in what situations it can be usefull? You have less that 200 F-22. For example - there is WW3, and after first exange of nuclear strikes you have 50 Raptors. Russian tanks already capture Warshaw and start a race to Berlin. If F-22 will continue to flight from USA airstripes - they will make only one flight in two days. If they will flight from German or French airbases - they will make three of four flights at day.
    Other situation - China begin reunion with Taiwan by military force. F-22 working from Guam island. They will be overhelmed even with herds of unmanned J-7 (that cost twice less that AIM-120D).
    Even in Syria sometimes our planes were making two-three flights at day. Turnover is a best multiplicator of an air force, imho.
    So, as I understood it can be usefull only in very low intencive conflict, most likely - for diversions at the peacefull time.
     
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    We are going to have over 2,000 F-35's, this program is definitely not a waste.

    And no Russia tanks will not just take over Warsaw and roll into Berlin, you will face almost all of NATO against you. You don't have enough troops to carry out that action. You are not the USSR, this is the 21st century.
     
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    We'll see.

    Yes, we can.
     
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    I agree with @YarS in a sense, if this thing entered service today it wouldn't be extremely useful but in a few years as more F-35's enter service it will. Our Allies will also like to use this capability when they carry out their own stealth missions.

    We built the X47-B for naval refueling, that model wasn't deemed to be stealthy enough by the Navy but shows where aerial refueling is going.

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    The Navy signed a deal for the MQ-25 Stingray program.
    https://defensesystems.com/articles/2016/10/24/stingray.aspx
     
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    F-35 is a rubbish. I'm not sure that it will be ready for begging of war.

    Wow! Really? And Turkey, and Greece, and Spain, and Italy? May be even Germany or France will preffer to be neutral. Ok, lets imagine it. Staff size of all European NATO armies is 0,6 millions. Russian army have staff size 1,8 millions. Also we can add allies in CSTO, also we have mobilisation capacity about 70 millions. There no force that can stop us before Warshaw or Berlin. But what is more important - it is tactical nuclear weapon. One Russian nuclear brigade is more strong that five "conventional" (for ex. German) brigades.
    And yes, first exange of nuclear strices will isolate American part of NATO from European.
    And now we are stronger.
     
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    "Missions", not "wars" or even "conflicts".
     
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