Looking for someone who is familiar with the 09L program

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  1. Crystal

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    My boyfriend's MOS is 09L. He is looking to change that but is getting different answers from his sergeants. So I am looking for someone who can answer some questions about changing his MOS.
     
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    It is possible for him to switch MOSs, but may or may not be allowed depending on the necessity and priority of the position he currently occupies, and interpreters/translators (MOSC 09L) are generally in very high demand and limited in their numbers. Take it from someone fluent in several languages; its hard to find people that speak, understand and can transcribe a language to and from several parties. When the USMC, USN or USAREUR visit Norway for exercises like Joint Viking or Cold Response they're greeted in English rather then Norwegian, due in part to Norwegian's high English proficiency, but also the US Military's limited pool of linguistic experts fluent in our national languages (Bokmål and Nynorsk) and even less who could properly converse in the minority languages of Kven or the various Sami languages (found in Northern Norway where Joint Viking, Arctic Specialist and several other exercises take place). The limited pool of viable interpreters/translators might contribute to an inability to switch MOSs due to an essential necessity for qualified and in demand persons, especially those already trained to perform the task.

    In Afghanistan you're unlikely to find many enlisted persons that speak Persian-Afghan, Pushtu-Afghan or any other regional dialect or language, and while there are resources available to those seeking to switch MOSC (more on that in a minute), those resources might be denied out of necessity and due to a shortage of viable replacements. In the US Military I'd wager there isn't exactly a glut of people fluent in the dialects and languages of the Middle East and Central and South Asia (areas including Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, all places with a US military presence). Because they are in demand and in limited supply and take time to replenish via retraining or vetting (for foreign nationals) under-staffing in the 09L MOSC may restrict reallocation.

    But there are resources he can explore. A MOS can be switched via re-enlistment or by taking advantage of under-staffing where the US Military might move you to a different MOS if your MOS is overstaffed and if your enlistment period is coming to a close and they feel you'd be better served elsewhere. Generally this only applies to the first enlistment though and the further along in your military career you go, the more concrete your career becomes.

    BEAR - Bonus, Extension and Retraining might also be an option if he qualifies. BEAR is generally used to extend one's enlistment period and offers bonuses for switching to selected MOSs.

    In/Out reclassification calls are the US Military's equivalent of an internet job board. They target overstaffed MOSs and specific pay-grades. An enlisted person can only switch their MOS via an In/Out call if they are in an overstaffed MOS and there is a demand at their pay scale. In/Out calls are not applicable to soldiers close to re-enlistment. They must opt to switch their MOS via the re-enlistment process instead.

    Other then that the Military might reassign you if your MOS times-out or you do. Most programs have a maximum time-in-service period meaning eventually you'll lose your qualification for that position and either be reassigned automatically or asked to switch your MOS. You may also ask to switch your MOS if your eligibility times-out. This however is not an easy route and switching MOS via ineligibility is only granted with good reason.

    There are resources he can use but at the end of the day it's up to the service and their staffing needs. He may have better luck if he chooses to explore re-enlistment, but if he's already passed his first enlistment the number of options diminishes. Understaffed MOS will be priority positions to be filled so if he can work out which MOS has staffing needs they are going to be the best option if he can (or chooses to) explore any of the reclassification options.

    I hope this helps and would gladly field any additional questions,

    Kat.
     
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    @Kat This is not your typing. If this is your typing i know military would have use you for something else :) You have a nice day :)
     
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    Why wouldn't it be my writing? Reverse search any of the text, it only links back to my post above.

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    It's based on my knowledge of military affairs, which is known to be quite extensive around in the internet (on other fora as well).
     
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    He's from Afghanistan, so he speaks both languages of Afghanistan as well as Farsi. He wants to apply for Warrant Officer School. He needs to improve his GTA score, he only scored an 85 and he needs a 110. One of his sergeants told him he could apply. And then another said he would have to do 3 years under his current MOS before he can change it.
    So if he does have to wait, can he retake the test to achieve the higher score. And then would the score still be good if he has to wait 3 years.
    Thank you for your time.
     
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    He can retake the test (AFCT, not ASVAB), but it's not a given. He'll need to talk with his superiors for a definitive answer. Each branch has its own retake rules and they don't typically allow a member to take the test on a whim, but up to 3 retakes are allow during one's service career. For the Army's WO Program and its related testing:

    If you are a Soldier interested in the Warrant Officer Program and have concerns with the General Technical (GT) score requirement, the following information may prove useful.

    • Examination Basic Information:
      • AR 135-100 (Appointment of Commissioned and Warrant Officers of the Army) establishes the qualifying minimum GT score for any officer-producing program at 110.
      • The ASVAB is administered for new recruits entering the military and the AFCT (Armed Forces Classification Test) is used to test Soldiers already on active duty. If you are an active duty Soldier and would like to raise your GT score, you will have to take the AFCT at your installation’s authorized testing facility. Do not re-take the ASVAB and do not contact the MEPS, the wrong test will be administered if given at all.
      • If you are in a sister-service applicant attempting to take the AFCT, be aware that your service may have specific guidelines for test administration. Contact your education or testing center for more information.
      Examination Preparation:
      • Most installations provide the “FAST” (Functional Academic Skills Training) course to help raise a Soldiers’ reading, language, and mathematics skills for Non-Commissioned Officer course attendance, college preparation/placement tests, and AFCT or high-school equivalency testing. Classes generally meet for 4 weeks (80 hours of instruction per subject), but are subject to preliminary placement testing. Please contact your installation education center for more information.
      • There are test preparation guides available at your education center, library, most post exchanges (usually for less than $15) or MOS library.
      • There are also a number of on-line resources for Soldiers. The following web sites are provided for your use:
        1. http://www.goarmy.com/popups/asvab_faq.html - military site with ASVAB insight and on-line practice tests.
        2. http://www.petersons.com/army/testprep.asp - on-line study preparation and practice tests.
        3. http://www.march2success.com - Army sponsored preparatory site for testing.

    GT scores are valid for up to 2 years if he leaves the armed forces, but as long as he remains a part of the US Army the score will remain valid until it's altered. This means that if you opt for retraining after enlistment you usually don't need to undergo testing again.

    The AFCT can only be taken 3 times during one's military career. The initial ASVAB test does not count towards this total. The score he receives on the old test is still valid until a retake occurs, but if he retakes the test it's not the higher of the two scores, initial and then retake of the test, but the score of the later test so he needs to make sure he can improve on his initial marks as only the retest matters when determining the new score. That score will also remain as long as he's in the armed services, unless altered again.

    Both of these conditions are likely true. It's probable that he'll need to fulfill the conditions of his current MOS, but he can still take the AFCT (ASVAB for new recruits) test again to improve his GT score. That new score will become the standard and will be valid after he completes the 3 years of his current MOS. After that he'll have options to change his MOS.
     
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    My guess was by your typing. When i read it is typical American speaking/typing. So my sec scenario is that you have live in America some years where ur typing is very strong. For the typing is for more American speaking. If this is false you must be American. But If you are norwegian i think your talent need to be spent some where else in norwegian military. Maybe more derection comunication based on typing documents to American. For it is appealing language you are using what American would be comfortable with
     
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