NATO Invites Montenegro to Join the Alliance

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    Grumble, grumble Sweden and Finland should join NATO, grumble, grumble.

    Good for Montenegro, should it opt to join, bad for Georgia whose ascendance wasn't viable at this time, but is this good for NATO too? Montenegro doesn't bring a lot to the table other than new bases for NATO assets to use. Their Navy, Air force and Army are all using out-dated equipment.

    Their most modern aircraft? The Yugoslav era Soko G-4; they have 4 of them in storage:
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    7 Gazelles form their attack helicopter capabilities, 8 are in reserve:
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    How about their Navy? Two Kotor class frigates are active:
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    Other vessels like the Končar-class are small, coastal defense missile boats. Two are in storage:
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    They've no tanks nor IFVs and are dependent on weapons that haven't been produced since Yugoslavia was still a country. Their other equipment comes from Russia, a liability as Poland found out, and Serbia. They spend 1.3% of their GDP on their military, which comes out to around 37 million Euros.

    Good for Montenegro if they decide to join NATO, Russia wont bother them again, but they really don't bring much to the table apart from new bases.
     
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    "Russia quickly said it would be forced to react to NATO's expansion eastward, with the invitation to the small Balkan country adding to bad blood between Moscow and the West over a host of issues including Ukraine.
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    The Montenegrin government has accused Russia of being behind recent violent protests in order to prevent the country from joining NATO.

    Srdjan Milic, head of the opposition Popular Socialist Party which wants a referendum on the issue next year, said most people opposed NATO membership."

    http://news.yahoo.com/nato-invites-montenegro-join-alliance-stoltenberg-075330497.html
     
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    Perciesly the reason they should join NATO. Who's to say that if Montenegro didn't join NATO that Russia would stop its behaviors? I suspect that with NATO ascension off-the-table, Russia would only act more-so in Montenegro to create a Donbass/Transnistria type of scenario to further destabilize the nation and make NATO membership a permanent non-reality, like in both Georgia and Ukraine who've active conflicts, which solving is a prerequisite for NATO membership. With a "frozen conflict", orchestrated by Russia, as seen in Georgia and Ukraine, Montenegro, as per the rule of NATO expansion, could not be accepted into the alliance.

    So not joining NATO sets up Montenegro for further Russian prodding while joining prevents Russia for interfering due to NATO deterrence effect.

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    Assuming Montenegro joins NATO which previously invited into the Membership Action Plan in 2009 - a system that prepares nations for NATO membership - Macedonia, Albania and Croatia (both achieved full membership), Bosnia and Herzegovina and also Georgia and Ukraine(Ukraine withdrew its application in 2010), what do they do with their 40 Million USD budget to replace their 1980's era Soviet/Yugoslav hardware?

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    Being a sea-opening nation, they need something to protect their shores, but they don't have the budget for much, even light-weigh frigates, or second hand US cutters (if any where left for export to Montenegro) would still be too expensive on a 40 million USD budget.

    To compensate for a lack of a qualitative navy, in the face of a superior, but hampered geographically (by Turkey and the Bosporus and NATO nations including Italy and Greece in the Adriatic Sea) Russia fleet, Montenegro doesn't actually need a navy, just something to contribute and harass Russia with.

    Long-ranged anti-ship missiles like NSM:
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    And light combat aircraft:
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    Can all provide a cost-effective, but still noticeable force that can augment the larger, more fiscally capable NATO members. Montenegro doesn't need a large force, even tanks make little sense give their geographic location, but with a sea and airspace open to Russia's navy, they can't neglect this avenue.

    Thoughts? What direction do people here think Montenegro should take its 40 million US dollar budget?
     
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    They could go for anti ship missiles as you stated. There is no point of pursuing jets if you can only buy a couple. They could go for something like the Super Tucano, get a few armed versions and some for recon, these could be used to crush an insurgency. Their ground forces should be able to deal with riots and insurgencies as they don't really have a chance against a standing army. ATGM's and MANPADS should be acquired to hold off an invading country until the international community intervenes.

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    I love the Super Tucano, but I'd rather the Archangel Block 3 see service in Montenegro. They wont have to buy everything they operate, some weapons will be afforded to them under transfer deals, the ability to carry PGMs and support targeting pods makes the Archangel more attractive in my estimation, though it's more expensive too.

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    And I completely agree regarding their land forces. Being surrounded on three sides by friendly, if not often troubled neighbors means insurgencies or riots are the most probable concerns, that and displaced persons should the Balkans once again ignite, which is always possible. Their land isn't at threat from a Russian tank assault across European soil, only from the sea or air.

    Their open sea, being partially covered by NATO members Greece, Croatia and Italy does mean they don't need anything spectacular, just something to harass Russia for a while, while the larger NATO powers muster a defense or counter-attack.

    On the naval front ships and boats are generally costly weapons, but even then some are within the budget range of Montenegro, and it could also ask the US for financial assistance too, which has been an option for cash-strapped NATO allies like Lithuania and Latvia.

    The 50 Million USD Helsinki Class FAC - yearly upkeep estimated at 6.2 million USD:
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    And the 110 Million USD Hamina Class - yearly upkeep estimated at 5 million USD - are options from Finland:
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    Good selection of equipment except that it isn't American :O---:

    BTW the rocket pods on that M113 Gavin type vehicle look to be the same ones that are on that Archangel plane.

    I agree with y'all on them having a robust capability for deterring insurgents and what not. They should allocate their resources towards building up an effective counter terrorism force that overlaps into the police and military.
     
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    :pYeah, I never miss an opportunity to promote Norwegian equipment either. But what does the US have that it can offer to Montenegro. Does the US still have M113s that it's trying to ride itself of? Will it transfer or sell its Mark 5s?
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    When the Mark VI enters into full service:
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    Surplus HMMWVs?
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    That are removed from service to make room for a contingent of JLTVs:
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    At a projected 20 million USD per unit, does the Textron Scorpion finally find a buyer?
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    And how about AUVs, to make up for a limited of a Navy, surface or submarine:
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    With only a 40 Million USD budget they'd (Montenegro) be looking for handouts, loans or a buying arrangement with a third party (like the US purchasing gear for them) more so then out-right purchases using their own money, so what can the US offer to compete with low-cost Turkish or European gear?
     
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