Outnumbered, Outranged, and Outgunned. How Russia Beats NATO

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    (The article talks about a scenario where Russia strikes the Baltic's.)

    All these Russian units would be equipped with armored vehicles — tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and so forth. NATO, meanwhile, would be able to respond largely with only light, unarmored, or lightly armored forces. These would consist of the forces of the Baltic republics themselves and those that the United States and its partners could rush to the scene in the few days of warning that would likely be available.

    Counting the “Very High Readiness Joint Task Force” (VJTF), NATO could optimistically deploy elements from three airborne infantry brigades, one Stryker brigade, and one U.S. armor brigade. Russia would achieve initial advantages in tanks (7:1), infantry fighting vehicles (5:1), attack helicopters (5:1), cannon artillery (4:1), long-range rocket artillery (16:1), short-range air defense (24:1), and long-range air defense (17:1).

    Outranged? But the problem is not just numbers. The Russians field cannon and rocket artillery with significantly longer ranges than their U.S. counterparts. Existing Army tube artillery can generally fire at targets 14 to 24 kilometers (9 to 15 miles) away. Unfortunately, the most common Russian self-propelled howitzer NATO forces would encounter in the Baltics has a range of 29 kilometers (or 19 miles). On the battlefield, these differences matter.

    Moreover, at the moment, the United States has no Multiple-Launch Rocket System units deployed in Europe, but even if it were, and the range of its primary rocket is only 40–70 kilometers (25–44 miles) depending on payload. Meanwhile, Russian forces are richly equipped with two rocket artillery systems with ranges up to 90 kilometers (56 miles).

    Outgunned? Here the evidence is somewhat less clear, but the situation is certainly far less favorable to the United States than it is accustomed to. While Russia’s tanks and IFVs in some cases share the same designations as those that U.S. forces encountered in Iraq in 1991 and 2003, those weapons have little in common besides the name. They have much more advanced armor, weapons, and sensors, and in some areas — such as active protection systems to defend against anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) — are superior to their Western counterparts.

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    http://warontherocks.com/2016/04/outnumbered-outranged-and-outgunned-how-russia-defeats-nato/

    Something is seriously wrong with how much money we spend and what we end up with in the end. The facts in the article can't be refuted, a War with Russia could be very devastating to NATO's image.
     
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    Is there word "outtrained"?
    Estonian warrior demonstrate NATO education standarts, directing his weapon on the president of country.
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    Bodyguards of president also demonstrate their level, allow him to do it...
     
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    Its good how they developed a squad around these vehicles, mostly we are only observing these vehicles shown in a standalone role. I can see this being implemented in the fashion shown in the video. A concept like that + Russian Uran UGV would be very effective. The days of the large APC's is slowly coming to an end.
     
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    Really - no. I like land drones, but APCs are irreplaceable for overcoming zones of destruction after nuclear blasts or for protection from civvies with fart-guns.
     
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    And yes, my NATO comrades. I know, you are not interested in the any kind of legacy, exept your etheral "Might is right", but you should know, that there in Lithuania, is such thing as Constitution, and article number 137 says: "On the territory of Lithuania can not be weapon of mass destruction and
    military bases of foreign states". So, all NATO bases there are anticonstitutional and illegal.
     
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    Sahra Wagenknecht:
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    "Lithuania will never stand alone,“ – the Minister of defence of the Leyen, promised during her visit yesterday in Rukla. The German Bundeswehr took over the leadership of the multi-national "Battlegroup Lithuania" of NATO, which will in the future be on the border to Russia stationed. Apart from the fact that this attempt demonstrative strength, in the face of Airbus aircraft mishaps flight, the Minister clearly failed: the deployment of NATO tanks and German soldiers on the Russian border, in fact, to create more security in Europe? I think: no. The opposite is the case. This confrontational military is not demonstration of power, which in Russia is not only the former President Michael Gorbachev as an act of preparation for war feels, leads to more stability and security, but increases the risk of a military conflict with Russia, a nuclear power. That is irresponsible. Instead of the US-led intervention Alliance NATO, we need to finally be a peace-oriented collective security system including Russia. Even then Lithuania would be left alone and we could all live with more security in peace.
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    Ke-ke-ke. When they are "opposition" - they try to talk about "responsibility", "peace", "progress". When they get a power - they forget all clever words and continue preparation for the war. "H" - means hypocrisy.
     
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    March of SS legioneers in Riga, Latvia. They proud how bravely they were killing Russian civilians at the service for "United Europe". (United by Hitler, I mean)










    Man with this banner was arrested by police. Latvian state is a Nazi state, so they will lose.
     
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    Like i see Russia to day. I think Russia can give NATO a realy good fight. Def Russia will be very hard overcome. At Russia i dont think they will be able to get the desire result.
     
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