Outnumbered, Outranged, and Outgunned. How Russia Beats NATO

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  1. Pathfinder

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    (The article talks about a scenario where Russia strikes the Baltic's.)

    All these Russian units would be equipped with armored vehicles — tanks, infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs), and so forth. NATO, meanwhile, would be able to respond largely with only light, unarmored, or lightly armored forces. These would consist of the forces of the Baltic republics themselves and those that the United States and its partners could rush to the scene in the few days of warning that would likely be available.

    Counting the “Very High Readiness Joint Task Force” (VJTF), NATO could optimistically deploy elements from three airborne infantry brigades, one Stryker brigade, and one U.S. armor brigade. Russia would achieve initial advantages in tanks (7:1), infantry fighting vehicles (5:1), attack helicopters (5:1), cannon artillery (4:1), long-range rocket artillery (16:1), short-range air defense (24:1), and long-range air defense (17:1).

    Outranged? But the problem is not just numbers. The Russians field cannon and rocket artillery with significantly longer ranges than their U.S. counterparts. Existing Army tube artillery can generally fire at targets 14 to 24 kilometers (9 to 15 miles) away. Unfortunately, the most common Russian self-propelled howitzer NATO forces would encounter in the Baltics has a range of 29 kilometers (or 19 miles). On the battlefield, these differences matter.

    Moreover, at the moment, the United States has no Multiple-Launch Rocket System units deployed in Europe, but even if it were, and the range of its primary rocket is only 40–70 kilometers (25–44 miles) depending on payload. Meanwhile, Russian forces are richly equipped with two rocket artillery systems with ranges up to 90 kilometers (56 miles).

    Outgunned? Here the evidence is somewhat less clear, but the situation is certainly far less favorable to the United States than it is accustomed to. While Russia’s tanks and IFVs in some cases share the same designations as those that U.S. forces encountered in Iraq in 1991 and 2003, those weapons have little in common besides the name. They have much more advanced armor, weapons, and sensors, and in some areas — such as active protection systems to defend against anti-tank guided missiles (ATGMs) — are superior to their Western counterparts.

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    http://warontherocks.com/2016/04/outnumbered-outranged-and-outgunned-how-russia-defeats-nato/

    Something is seriously wrong with how much money we spend and what we end up with in the end. The facts in the article can't be refuted, a War with Russia could be very devastating to NATO's image.
     
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    Is there word "outtrained"?
    Estonian warrior demonstrate NATO education standarts, directing his weapon on the president of country.
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    Bodyguards of president also demonstrate their level, allow him to do it...
     
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    Its good how they developed a squad around these vehicles, mostly we are only observing these vehicles shown in a standalone role. I can see this being implemented in the fashion shown in the video. A concept like that + Russian Uran UGV would be very effective. The days of the large APC's is slowly coming to an end.
     
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    Really - no. I like land drones, but APCs are irreplaceable for overcoming zones of destruction after nuclear blasts or for protection from civvies with fart-guns.
     
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