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    Pakistan F-16 Sale Survives US Senate Dogfight

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    WASHINGTON — A measure to block the $700 million sale of eight US F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan was scuttled in the US Senate on Thursday, though US financing for the deal was on hold.

    Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Bob Corker, whose committee has jurisdiction over foreign arms sales, said he will maintain a hold on the US subsidy for the jets over Pakistan’s “duplicity” in the US-backed war against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    Sen. Rand Paul, a Kentucky Republican and one-time presidential candidate, mounted an effort to halt the jet sales, citing its human rights record and intelligence community’s support of the Afghan Taliban.

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    Its better to sell them F-16's, if we don't sell them F-16's China will sell them J-10's sucking Pakistan more and more into China's orbit. One of the only reasons we still have influence over Pakistan because of our foreign aid and their use of our military equipment. It would be dumb to do away with one of our sources of influence.
     
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    PAF's plans to retire 190 fighters by 2020 prompt talk of replacements

    The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) plans to retire 190 fighter aircraft by 2020, according to comments attributed to an unnamed senior Pakistani defence official quoted in Pakistan's well-respected Dawn newspaper on 15 March. "We do need to retire 190 planes by 2020. And we are already looking for various options," the official told Dawn

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    They have alot of old mirages and sky guards that need to be replaced. The JF-17 is replacing many of those but Pakistan needs more high end fighters. I predict that they will acquire J-10's from China.

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    an interesting one here...........

    Pakistan To Participate In Turkey’s TFX Next-Gen Fighter Aircraft Program

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    Turkey has invited Pakistan to participate in the development of its next-generation fighter program, TFX.

    Pakistan’s Minister of Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain in an interview with PTV last Sunday, said that Turkey had requested Islamabad to be part of the development program for its next-generation fighter aircraft.

    Turkey is evaluating proposals for purchasing training aircraft for the Turkish Air Force, and Pakistan’s Super Mushshak trainer aircraft is a leading contender. A final decision is likely soon.

    As for future collaboration, both countries are in discussions over possible cooperation on Turkey's first indigenous FX Fighter Jet program, Anadolu agency had quoted unnamed sources as saying in June this year.

    Pakistan and Turkey are also collaborating on building a new warship fleet tanker. Pakistan’s Karachi Shipyard & Engineering Works (KSEW) has launched a 17,000-tonne heavy Warship fleet tanker, which was being constructed by the company in collaborating with the Turkish firm Savunma Teknologiler Muhendisilik (STM) Sunday.
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    Interesting sure, but there's so many reasons why this wouldn't go forward. Many of those reasons are similar to why the T-129 ATAK gunship couldn't be bought.

    First of all, the TFX fighter would mean a continued reliance on Western engines & other technologies, which can be sanctioned & support revoked at any time - precisely something that Pakistan wishes to move away from. Especially in light of the fact that relationship between Pakistan and the West has been on a downhill drive for the last 5 years, while cooperation with China is increasing in both military and civilian economic aspects.

    Secondly, the amount of hardware Pakistan can purchase outright with hard cash is extremely limited. Most big-ticket programs (F-16, JF-17, subs etc.) are only possible because of the seller country offering soft loans/aid/creative payment options. With Turkey, such options would either be limited or non-existent.

    And there's no way that any of the two bigger countries that are actually capable of taking on the burden of keeping Pakistan's military well-fed (China & US) would provide monetary assistance so that Pak can go and spend it on someone else. If US gives aid, Pak HAS to buy from US. Same for China.

    All in all, this right here is the most likely fighter that Pakistan would induct in a post-2020 scenario -

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    the t-129 was spotted on Baluchistan a while back. if they don't think they would buy it then why do trials in Pakistan?

    from what i know the turk want to spread the program to lower unit cost and get help in terms of integration. so the chances are high.

    the tfx would be powered by a eurojet ej-2xx engine based of the ej-200. they want a large amount of the system to be indigenous which they are capable of doing as the tfx is an example of that. money would be a problem. but considering they wont be buying anything for at least 5 years they would use these funds for their ngf (next gen fighter). it would fly by at least 2023 and be in service by 2025.

    the turks has access to high end western tech and them being a nato and mtcr member helps getting components. and turkish companies are already producing high end kit. they have the koral system as an example. so that could be a good reason to join

    the chinese have the j-31 where the "v2" has already been made with changes already seen on the latest mock-up. they have already been offered to join the j-31 program. the Chinese can offer a lot of incentive and give very soft loans to pakistan.

    personally they will keep news under wraps till at least 2018 where they will announce what will the ngf be.
    i got quiet lot of info from pdf where informed sources have said this.

    but turkey is expanding is reach very deep into pakistan. they already builds parts for the tai anka. and they are upgrading the a90b's and a provision for 400 million loan to pakistan so they can buy 4 milgem frigates.
    im not so sure on the t-129 as they have chosen to keep 2 z-10's
     
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    It's always good to know how a system works, what are it's merits & drawbacks, even if you're not going to buy it. It's only when the matter descents into more economical & political aspects that questions like serviceability, sourcing of spares, transfer of know-how, and likelihood that support will or will not be suspended in a time of war, start arising. Making a purchase isn't happening without discussing all these aspects.

    They were playing around with options like T-129s, AH-1 upgrades, Z-10s, Z-19s etc.

    But more recently, it was revealed that the US Navy has placed orders for 9 Bell AH-1Z Vipers meant for Pakistan. It was always a possibility, given the fact that it's easier to move on to the new Vipers from the existing AH-1F/S Cobras that Pakistan currently operates.

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