Pakistan has Successfully Test Fired Babur 3 SLCM from Submarine

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    Pakistan launches first submarine-launched cruise missile Babur-3
    January 9, 2017
    By: Samaa Web Desk
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    Pakistan conducted its first successful test fire of Submarine Launched Cruise Missile (SLCM) Babur-3 having a range of 450 kilometers, from an undisclosed location in the Indian Ocean.


    The missile was fired from an underwater, mobile platform and hit its target with precise accuracy. Babur-3 is a sea-based variant of Ground Launched Cruise Missile (GLCM) Babur-2, which was successfully tested earlier in December, last year.


    Babur-3 SLCM incorporates state of the art technologies including underwater controlled propulsion and advanced guidance and navigation features, duly augmented by Global Navigation, Terrain and Scene Matching Systems. The missile features terrain hugging and sea skimming flight capabilities to evade hostile radars and air defenses, in addition to certain stealth technologies, in an emerging regional Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) environment.


    Babur-3 SLCM in land-attack mode, is capable of delivering various types of payloads and will provide Pakistan with a Credible Second Strike Capability, augmenting deterrence. While the pursuit and now the successful attainment of a second strike capability by Pakistan represents a major scientific milestone, it is manifestation of the strategy of measured response to nuclear strategies and postures being adopted in Pakistan’s neighborhood.


    The test was witnessed by the Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Zubair Mahmood Hayat, DG Strategic Plans Division (SPD) Lieutenant General Mazhar Jamil, Commander Naval Strategic Force Command (NSFC), senior officials, scientists and engineers from Scientific Strategic Organizations.


    The CJCSC and three services chiefs congratulated all the officials involved, on achieving this highly significant milestone. He also highlighted that successful test fire of SLCM also demonstrates confidence on our scientists and engineers in fostering the technological prowess, through indigenization and self-reliance. Pakistan eyes this hallmark development as a step towards reinforcing policy of credible minimum deterrence

    Source: http://defence.pk/threads/pakistan-...om-submarine-ispr.471649/page-5#ixzz4VI2gdZwA
     
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    Pakistanis added a colour changing feature?
    :confused::confused:
    Here, its launch okay.
    But in second picture they fixed previous Babur-2 LACM video, simply fake test! Missile camouflages don't change color & size!
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    Looks like three different videos joined together

    one is the launch which appears from under the water,

    Then red color missile in mid flight.

    Now notice the change in the size of missile, it has not been clearly caught in frame, it actually looked like attack helicopter shooting at the target. Pakistanis please explain (if any on this forum) this change of color and physical character of missile.

    1st shot is interesting , the video shows the missile coming out but no sign of the cruise stage kicking in , ie still powered by the rocket (booster) stage.
    :D
    also regarding the launch platform they here r claiming it is the Augusta 90 B , but that is easier said than done , considering the extensive modification that would be required to the fire control systems etc to support the launch of the SLCM.

    they just cut pasted a video showing a SLCM launch (could be aharpoon/exocet).

    India also has similar failure, our missile lifts of properly but deviates from its path after travelling a few hundred kilometres.
     
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    I have earlier suspected that, India has not been able to deal with it's cruise missile Nirbhay for more than a decade even after fact that
    India produces 81 out of 94 defined missile technologies
    (China: 92/94; Russia: 94/94; US: 94/94).
    India, China, Russia, USA, EU every country has suffered missile failures, specially cruise missiles in past.

    But Pakistan only @39/94.

    This production includes Turbofan engines which India has Pak doesn't, so, it uses Soviet bought NPO engines.

    Simply doesn't make sense that they could succeed in development of such a missile with such a low budget.

    The Official Video from Pakistani army's media wing ISPR's official Twitter account, just proved it.
    @YarS @Falcon
    Exactly my point! Strategic Weapons can never be tested secretly. You have to always publish at least one NOTAM and one NAVAREA warning for safety of plane and ships passing through that route. You can only hide that which weapon you tested.

    India has filed 16 NOTAMs and NAVAREA warnings last year alone (Pakistan at @just 2).
    Post the official NOTAM and NAVAREA warning here issued for Babur-3.

    Otherwise, such test never existed.
     
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    Oh!
    Here's that 29 seconds video,
    even a kid can identify its fake!:D

     
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    Here is a clear image of the missile leaving the ocean:

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    It is orange.

    I think the frame rate is affecting how the missile looks toward the end of the video.

    Clear HD video if available will end this dispute.
     
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    Interesting, I will discuss with my friends.
    what is source btw?
    I mean smoke pattern isn't consistent with official videos corresponding moment.
    Look here,
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    Color is clearly cream or white and initially, direction of tip of missile was away from the camera lens, so impossible to even see then.
    The only way it's possible that some other camera exists at other position.

    The core of the problem is I think engine. Unlike China, Russia and India, Pakistan doesn't manufacture any turbofan engines. So, from where they got engines? Possibly, they are using Soviet Era NPO engines which they were allegedly buying in bulk around 70s and 80s. And these engines are very smoky.

    But where is cruise stage?
    Cruise missile powered by rocket booster till the end?

    And mid flight and target hitting seems to be from last test, it's range is not enough to reach mountains.
     
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    Okay let's try to have straight.
    ISPR says:
    "Babur-3 was launched from an underwater mobile platform from an undisclosed location."


    Indx TechS says:
    But my friend, fact is that you may test an undisclosed strategic weapon from a disclosed location but you can't test (disclosed or undisclosed) any type of strategic weapon from an undisclosed location.

    You have to file a NOTAM (Notification for Airmen) and a NAVAREA warning for safety of passing by boats and civil aircrafts (Cargo/Cruise Ships & Passenger Planes etc.)
    So, Pakistan had to file a NOTAM and a NAVAREA warning but Pakistan says they didn't disclose location.

    Means that test never occured.
    Further, Pakistanis say,
    "Missile was tested from an undisclosed location in Indian Ocean."

    But the target from video looks around Mountainous northeastern part of Pakistan.
    Here's a map of Asia Pacific, watch where is Pakistan and where is Indian Ocean.
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    No cruise missile with just 450km range can even travel to reach Pakistan from here, leave alone hitting target in mountains in more far parts of Pakistan.
    They didn't even gave a NOTAM (Notification for Airmen) and a NAVAREA warning.
    Test most likely not occurred.

    Further, the target hit looks like to be hit by a helicopter launched ATGM.
     
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    Again something funny,
    But this time, I made a joke of myself.:D
    we DFI and IDF Indian Defence Forumers calculating trajectories and observing geography, NOTAMs, NAVAREA warnings and observing state of missile to sort out the matter. But look, who made it to media before me!
    :cry:
    I wanted to get in the news yaar!:(
    Somebody else got.
    Hope somebody didn't stole my hardwork.
    Exclusive How an Indian military expert sunk Pakistan's 'fake nuclear missile test'
     
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    [​IMG]
    The terrain in the video.

    [​IMG]The green part is 450 km radius.
     
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    Not very long ago, ISPR said:
    Originally my posted by my Senior Saya sir.
    Now, historical pic:
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    Then ISPR released another statement that missile parts fallen on safe area.:D

    it was felling on Pakistani citizens head, later on they discontinued land test, now it appears they started again.
    so, this wasn't a new thing.
     
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