Philippine Army's M113 from US military stock

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  1. Cossack25A1

    Cossack25A1 1st Lieutenant

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    US gives over 100 military vehicles to Philippines
    By AFP | 10 Dec, 2015, 03.50PM IST

    MANILA: The Philippines is receiving 114 armoured vehicles donated by the United States, officials said Thursday, boosting the poorly-equipped military's fight against various insurgent groups in the country.

    More -> http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...icles-to-philippines/articleshow/50122136.cms
     
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    The M113 is still useful, it is a very modular platform that provides some protection.


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    Cossack25A1 1st Lieutenant

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    Yup; even though it is designed for transporting soldiers in the field, the M113 can be modified and be armed with different weapons.

    I just don't know why a some in a certain forum keeps telling that "old-but-reliable" vehicles equates to being trash. Honestly, I cannot comprehend his discreet arrogance just because the PLA has "new-but-ripoff toys".
     
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    Falcon Major Staff Member Social Media Team

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    Many countries including the U.S use the M113 so there is no shame in that vehicle. Besides for a country like the Philippines where there are jungles and lots of rain which equals lots of mud the it is the perfect armored vehicle. Something like that Bradley would sink easily in that mud. Another consideration is how good the bridges are in some remote areas. Can neglected remote bridges hold up a bradley? Not always but they are more likely to hold up an M113. Heavy vehicles like the bradley are also 1 meter wider than the M113 meaning that they may not be able to operate effectively in urban areas. So I would say that the M113 is a good vehicle for urban engagements.
     
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    Technofox That Norwegian girl Staff Member Ret. Military Developer

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    One of many reasons I stopped going there. Too much arrogance, too much ignorance, too much racism and not a brain between them.

    And dang right their reliable! Hardly trash at all, we're still using them too:

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    Despite having more modern options like the CV90:

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    Give them the care they need and the M113 will run for many more years.

    The M113, still used by the US military, Norwegian Armed forces and many other nations is great for what it's used for, and it's uses are very diverse. It's a killer anti-tank platform, moves troops with ease over uneven terrain, is a great recon platform and command and control node... anyone saying otherwise has an agenda to push.
     
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    Canadian M113 Upgrade



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    FNSS Upgrade

     
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    M113 FoV Capability & Sustainment Program
    The sustainability solution meets all of the M113 Family of Vehicles for mobility upgrades with the only differences in the specific mission modules required by a variant to meet its mission. Therefore, M113 variants will all be based on a common mobility platform providing significant saving in logistics such as spare parts inventories and a common maintenance policy.

    The FNSS solution is the lowest cost alternative that fully meets the requirements for a modern reliable M113 FoV’. FNSS M113A4 is based on common subsystems with Malaysian ACV Adnan, Turkish Army’s standard ACV and United Arab Emirates ACV 350 Dhabyan vehicles. This configuration significantly improves ease of operation, safety, reliability, performance and durability over the M113A1 and A2.

    M113A4 delivers significant improvements on mobility and survivability compared to older M113 FoV’ consisting of modern diesel engine and automatic transmission. Reliability and durability have been greatly improved with the installation of the FNSS developed ACV power pack.

    This improvement in reliability and durability ensures that during operational deployment, there is a minimum of downtime for the vehicles, thus, releasing valuable maintenance personnel for other tasks. This also guarantees maximum time for operational deployment by the user. This modernized M113A4 FoV provides the user, a reliable simple to operate vehicle with an operational service life of 15-20 years.

    The solution closely matches the ACV vehicles that have been tested several times between -20 to +60 °C weather conditions and all terrains. In addition, the M113A4 has undergone a full desert mobility testing and which was successfully completed covering over 2000 miles in the summer of 2005.

    The configuration of FNSS ACV and M113A4 is NATO certified, qualified by the original M113 vehicle manufacturer and in service with the Turkish, U.A.E, Bahrain, Philippines and Malaysian Armies.

    Why Sustain Current M113 Fleet?
    • M113 Family of Vehicles (FoV) will remain in-service with many armies well into the 21st century.
    • Extend service life and improve performance & reliability
    • Provide cost effective improved operational capabilities
    • Minimize need for additional:
    - Training
    - Logistics Support

    https://www.fnss.com.tr/en/product/m113-modernization

    @Cossack25A1 the Phillipines is already a customer.

    FNSS Modernization plant in Saudi Arabia



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    M113A4 Variants

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    M113A4 APC

    The M113A4 APC is the modernized version of the M113A1 & A2 Armoured Personnel Carriers. The vehicle is armed with a 12.7mm MG and 6 ea smoke grenade dischargers and has a capacity of carrying 11 personnel including driver and commander/gunner.

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    M113A4 IFV (Infantry Fighting Vehicle)

    The M113A4 IFV is the converted modernized version of the M113A1 & A2 Armoured Personnel Carriers. It is fitted with a 25mm one man Sharpshooter Turret and has a capacity of carrying 9 personnel including driver and commander/gunner.

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    M901A4 ANTI ARMOUR

    The M901A4 Anti Armor is the modernized version of the M901 vehicles. Vehicle is designed to carry an over head M220 2xTOW launcher with 10ea stowed TOW rounds inside the vehicle. It has a capacity of carrying 4 personnel including driver, commander, gunner and loader.

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    M113A4 ANTI ARMOUR

    The M113A4 Anti Armor is the converted modernized version of the M113 APC vehicles. The vehicle is a standard M113-APC variant which has been modified to an Anti Armor Vehicle. A TOW launcher or any other ATGW , is mounted on a pedestal which can be raised up for firing missiles or stowed down in the hull when not in use and 10ea TOW rounds can be stowed inside the vehicle. It has a capacity of carrying 4 personnel including driver, commander, gunner and loader.

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    M113A4 AMV 81

    The M113A4 81mm Armored Mortar Vehicle is the modernized version of the M125 Mortar Carrier vehicles. The vehicle is armed with a self defence 12.7mm MG and an 81mm mortar mounted on a turntable in the rear which fires through a large mortar hatch placed on the hull top. It has a capacity of carrying 5 personnel including driver, commander/gunner and 3 mortar crew.

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    M113 M577A4

    The M577A4 Command Post Vehicle the modernized version of the M577 vehicles. Vehicle is used as an operational staff officer’s command post at Brigade and Battalion organisation. It can also be configured as a Fire Direction Centre. It has a capacity of carrying 7 personnel including driver, vehicle commander and staff officers.

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    M113A4 ARV

    The M113A4 Recovery Vehicle is the modernized version of the M806 vehicles. The Recovery vehicle is fitted with a hydraulic crane mounted to the vehicle top plate and a hydraulic recovery winch with a fairlead assembly mounted inside the vehicle, which facilitates the recovery and towing of both armored and non-armored vehicles in difficult terrain. It is armed with a self defence 12.7mm MG and has a capacity of carrying 4 personnel including driver, gunner and 2 technicians.

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    M113A4 FITTERS

    The M113A4 Fitters Vehicle is the modernized version of the M579 vehicles. It is distinguished by the large hatch on hull top and hydraulic crane capable of lifting a complete powerpack if required. The additional flotation panel on trim vane helps compensate for weight of hydraulic crane. It is armed with a self defence 12.7mm MG and has a capacity of carrying 4 personnel including driver, gunner and two technicians.

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    M113A4 Medical Evacuation (Ambulance)

    The M113A4 ME (Ambulance) is the modernized version of the M113A1 & A2 Ambulance vehicles. The vehicle is a highly manoeuvrable, tracked armored ambulance designed primarily for casualty evacuation from forward battle areas. It has a capacity of carrying diver and a medic with; 2 patients on stretcher 4 patients on sting position or 8 patients on sting position.

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    M548A4

    The M548A4 Cargo Carrier is the modernized version of the M548 vehicles. It is the unarmored derivative of the M113 family and is capable of transporting 4.800 kg of ammunition and general cargo to forward areas in support of field units. The M548A4 is configured with a driver’s cabin capacity of carrying 4 personnel including driver and 3 passengers. A a self defence 12.7mm MG is also mounted on top of the passengers seat.

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    ACV IFV

    The ACV IFV is a modernised version of the YPR 768 / AIFV FoV'. The vehicle is fitted with a 25mm One Man Turret and has a capacity of carrying 9 personnel including driver, commander and gunner.

    Sister on another forum they would also show a video of an M113 getting blown up in Yemen and then say that it is trash.
     
  8. Cossack25A1

    Cossack25A1 1st Lieutenant

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    While the Philippines is getting M113A2 from Israel that is equipped with the FV101's 76mm cannon (including the turret), is it possible to arm the M113 with 90mm guns like those in ERC 90 Sagaie or Scorpion 90, or even a 105mm gun like the one on the M1128?
     
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