Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carrier Updates and Discussions

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  1. Blue Marlin

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    Royal Navy Second Aircraft Carrier HMS Prince of Wales' Hull Completed

    The second of the largest warships ever built for the Royal Navy, the Queen Elizabeth Class carrier HMS PRINCE OF WALES, was given the royal seal of approval when HRH The Prince of Wales, (or Duke of Rothesay as he is referred to in Scotland), visited Babcock’s Rosyth Facilities and signalled for the final section to be lowered into place.

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    look at how big the qec is when sompered to its predecessor
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    Vergennes Captain Staff Member Ret. Military International Mod

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    I am so jealous.
    If we didn't abandon the project,we would have ended with a CATOBAR aircraft carrier based on the Queen Elizabeth.

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    the qec is influenced from the french pa2 design which was canceled. why was it canceled?
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    It was canceled for economic reasons.
     
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    @Blue Marlin @Vergennes @Technofox

    I had a thought - if at all UK wanted to operate the F-35B, why didn't they go for a bigger fleet of new LPH/LHDs? RN is going for 2 QEC ships but I'm fairly certain that they would have bought atleast 3-4 ships (or more) of a modified Mistral/Juan Carlos/America-class ships for the same price. They would still be able to operate the F-35B and the helicopter-based AEWs, plus the ships would also be more versatile when carrying out amphibious operations.

    Also, what exactly was the reason why they went for a STOVL setup (with ski-jump) instead of a CATOBAR concept like the French PA2 design? Was it purely for economic reasons or were there other issues?

    I have heard news that UK originally wanted to procure a CATOBAR carrier + F-35C combination, but then decided to settle on the F-35B, which was supposedly cheaper. I feel that if they had originally thought of the B since the start, the carrier program may have gone a completely different way.
     
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    these 2 carriers are to replace the 3 smaller ones.
    having a smaller carrier would be inefficient. here look at the aussies. they have a juan carlos variant or Canberra class lhd. it can only just hold the f35b but it would it would be inefficent to do so. why? it would be cramped and it would greatly limit the number of choppers which is what its designed to hold.

    the turks are build an aircraft carrier based of the juan class but they are modifying it to hold jets. you can have small aircraft carriers where italy and Thailand are example of this but i doubt we really need them.

    heck we have a landing platform hms ocean
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    she was only put in service in 1998 and is being retired in 2018 she has at least another 15-20 years worth of life left in her after a good overhaul.
    but theres no need

    heck look at france they have one carrier which is about the same size as the one you lot currently have. do they need a second......no

    so yeah 2 is enough
    and the saying bigger is is better fits here too.
     
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    I'm surprised. That's actually a very short service life for a ship, especially a flattop.

    So you're saying there is no plan to procure dedicated LHDs in the future, to compliment the QECs?
     
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    no it wont be replaced. this ship hosts the ah-64 (built by westland) these choppers will go on the carriers. mind you there will replaced by the ah-64e
     
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    @Blue Marlin what's the makeup of the RN's future carrier wing? Beyond the F-35, what're we going to see gracing the decks of RN carriers?
     
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    not so sure the apaches were to be upgraded to the E variant were the word was to be done by westland but now we have decided to get 50 brandnew ah-64e from boeing. westland said the move would cost 650 jobs but boeing said the new contract would bring 2000 jobs to the uk.

    the f35b would be the only fixed wing aircraft that can be launched without emals. the only thing thats avaliable that can be launched with out emals is russain birds.