Russia Violates Turkish Airspace Again

Discussion in 'The Middle East & North Africa' started by Atilla, Jan 30, 2016.

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  1. AMDR

    AMDR Captain Staff Member Administrator

    Oct 7, 2015
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    The Russians are pushing their luck with this nonsense. They can't afford to start a war with Turkey and NATO, they are to isolated there in Syria and their economy is contracting as it is.

    The US has your back, because we cannot afford to not have your back on this. Imagine what our allies in the Pacific would think if we didn't defend a key member of a supposed "unbreakable" alliance when we are obligated by treaty to. It would be the worst foreign policy disaster in US history if we failed to live up to our NATO obligations, specifically and most important of all Article 5. Nobody would trust the US again on any kind of defensive treaty ever again.

    Some other NATO members, however, are another discussion entirely. Support for a war, even a war they did not start, is very low at the moment.
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  2. Falcon

    Falcon Lieutenant Colonel Staff Member Social Media Team

    Oct 10, 2015
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  3. T-123456

    T-123456 Captain Staff Member International Mod

    Oct 8, 2015
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    I have my doubts about that,the shady nuclear deal with iran and the passive attitude in Syria makes me think twice before trusting,you would actually have our backs.
    Remember the ''red lines''?
    What would you think if you were a Turk?
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  4. Atilla

    Atilla Major

    Oct 25, 2015
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    This the help we would get, and this is all we need.
    Several events happened that made Turks lose Trust in NATO-America:

    -Ayn Al-Arab (Kobane) incidents where some media unfairly criticized Turkey and started a black mailing campaign.

    -Huge US support to PYD (PKK Syrian Branch) which is recognized as a terrorist organization by Turkey. (Turkey offered millions of times to do a buffer zone to clear ISIS from Northern Syria.)

    - Allies were telling us to do more against ISIS without taking into account our strategic interests.

    -Articles and comments from leaders and influential people saying "The Turks are busy bombing Kurds instead of ISIS". Basically they said that PKK=Kurds and oppose us fighting a terrorists organization.

    -Not selling us Predators and blocking other deals like Oliver Hazard Perry.

    -Telling us to make peace with terrorist PKK (mostly europeans)

    -When a Russian jet violated our airspace for a second time and we shot it down they were like "Oh don't escalate", like we are some little kid.

    -All of the tricks with weapons being used against PKK, not selling us spare parts so we had to buy off of the black market, and Germans restricting the use of their weapons in eastern Turkey against the PKK.

    Turks aren't stupid. No one wants us to become a serious player. NATO would only shoot down Ballistic missiles for us.
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  5. Patriot1776

    Patriot1776 2nd Lieutenant

    Nov 11, 2015
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    I think our current policy under obama is to deescalate tensions under any cost. Because obama wants to have a no war/ peace record coming out of the oval office.

    Also from what I have read the current Turkish government hasn't been to tough with its actions compared to its tough choice of words. And we see that so we know there is a bunch of wiggle room so to speak.

    Also he needs to go back to pilot school and learn how to fly inside the lines:
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