Russia Warns Norway on Hosting US Marines

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  1. Pathfinder

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    MOSCOW — Russia has told Norway that the extension of a U.S. military deployment in the country will hit diplomatic ties.

    The Russian Embassy in Norway warned on its Facebook page Saturday that the move could "escalate tensions and lead to destabilization of the situation in the northern region." It said "this step contradicts Norwegian policy of not deploying foreign military."

    Norway announced this week that 330 U.S. Marines will remain in the country until the end of 2018, a year longer than was originally planned. The U.S. force arrived in January and is based near the western city of Trondheim, 900 miles (1,450 kilometers) from the Russian border.

    Russia and members of NATO have accused each other of ramping up tensions in recent years with increased military activity by both sides.

    https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/articles/russia-warns-norway-that-hosting-us-marines-will-hurt-ties
     
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    Technofox That Norwegian girl Staff Member Ret. Military Developer

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    How about engaging Norway on a bilateral basis? Your economy isn't exactly the pinnacle of strength right now Russia and we're always happy to do business with another people's. We've already invested in Russian agricultural and energy sectors, if you want things to calm down on the military front maybe start cooperating more on the economic front. It works, it really does.

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    But no. Instead you behave like North Korea and threaten everyone who doesn't put up with your tantrums. But hey, we've only been doing this for the past 60 years, so it's not like this is anything new. Threaten away Russia and when you're ready to put on your big boy pants and act like an adult, we'll be ready to talk.

    In the meantime, it's a pleasure to have you here boys and I hope you're enjoying your stay.

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    Friends, of course, you can accept more american soldiers, or build Globus III radar on Vardø island, but you should understand simple thing - for any action there are our counteraction. From military point of view - it's just a preparing for sudden attack, but we shall attack first. For Norway it mean few more warheads on her territory.
    What's about economic?
    If you are not independent military, you are not independent politically and economically. Yanks will force you not to do business with "evil Russians", and we shall lost our money.
     
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    Girl, we like to do business with anybody, but Westies can not play fairly. Some kinds of sanctions, antidempings, "judjments". So, we are not very interested in such "business partners"

    Anything can be doing in the last time. One of your threats will be last, you know.

    Do you like Kipling?
    "Without thy order we cannot stir foot or hand, O Kaa!"

    "Good! Come all one pace nearer to me."

    The lines of the monkeys swayed forward helplessly, and Baloo and Bagheera took one stiff step forward with them.

    "Nearer!" hissed Kaa, and they all moved again"
     
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    Sanctions didn't happen in a vacuum, nor were they void of reciprocity. At some point if Russia is genuine about improving its relations with other nation it'll have to stop with the North Korean-esque threats of punitive actions for things it doesn't like, and start trying to engage other countries to reduce tensions and improve ties. Being threatening is exactly what got Russia into this situation in the first place.

    Engagement on an economic front helps reduce tensions. We see it in the SCS with Japan and China, two long-time bitter rivals, we see it in Europe too with Turkey and Russia coming together recently to forge energy ties. And we saw it with Norway and Russia post-Soviet collapse when the two sides expanded their energy and agricultural ties and even their military-to-military ties.

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    At some point however, if Russia is seriously interested in seeing the Americans leave it has to approach Europe and work something out. Again, it's the North Korea quandary. The US and South Korea have made overtures, the North threats and has taken advantage of their tension reducing initiatives. In good faith, come to Brussels or Oslo and talk with the leadership in Europe to improve ties.

    Sometimes you need to make the first move. It shows a genuine desire to make things better and frankly, I'd rather see a productive economic and political relationship with Russia then the continued antagonistic one that's been ongoing since the late 1940s, but Europe's made its pitch and now you'll have to make one too.

    Until then we'll do what's necessary to ensure your threats stay as empty as we take them.

    Anti-dumping measures aren't really a counteraction to Russian policy though, more so to unfair business practices and are typically enacted or probed when a country subsidizes the production of something like steel to drive down production costs artificially to improve export chances. That harms domestic producers and makes them unable to be competitive in the market. Europe levies anti-dumping measures against the US too, btw.

    China and Russia have a fair number of state-managed or state-run companies which receive subsidization from their respective governments (and sometimes prop up flagging or zombie companies) and that's what garners the ire of the EU's lawyers. In Europe and North America state-run businesses don't exist because by and large the government is barred from business holdings. However, we do see a form of subsidization in the form of grants given to defence companies, so it's not as if we're entirely guiltless either. That said, European and North American defence companies typically don't use their state backing to gain an unfair advantage in China or Russia, just the countries around them, and you can't impose anti-dumping tariffs on business targeting your neighbor.

    http://www.antidumpingpublishing.com/category/eu-ad-news/

    http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/october/tradoc_153920.def.en.L284-2015.pdf

    One or one-hundred, it doesn't matter. We've been under the gun since the end of WWII and this antagonistic relationship has had worse ups and downs. This recently upswing in tensions will dissipate too and no one around here takes rhetoric seriously because it's all puff.
     
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