Russian weapons for the Philippine military

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    Cossack25A1 1st Lieutenant

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    Russia arms deal eyed
    posted September 25, 2016 at 12:01 am
    by Sara Susanne D. Fabunan

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    Moscow planning donation or loan
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    MOSCOW is planning to donate or loan military equipment and technology to Manila, only days after President Rodrigo Duterte said he would go to Russia or China if the United States did not like his “dirty mouth.”

    Ambassador to Russia Carlos Sorreta announced the plan after he met with Russian officials over how the two countries could boost trade and security cooperation as Duterte discussed with Russian Ambassador Igor Khovaev last May.

    At the same time, the US State Department also announced on Saturday that Washington approved the release of $6.725 million (more than P300 million) from the $32 million fund that US State Secretary John Kerry pledged during his visit to Manila last July.

    Sorreta said the plan to donate or loan military equipment was discussed when he and vice consul Luningning Camoying were briefed by officials of the Russian Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation (FSMTC).

    The FSMTC is a federal agency directly under the Office of the President of the Russian Federation responsible for control and oversight in the field of military-technical cooperation between the Russian Federation and foreign countries.

    Russian officials who hosted the briefing are First Department on Military and Technical Cooperation with Foreign States chief Serggey Buganov; and Section on Military-Technical Cooperation with Countries of the Asia-Pacific Region chief Valery Orel.

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    Technofox That Norwegian girl Staff Member Ret. Military Developer

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    Might not be a bad idea honestly. Russia makes some killer missiles (literally and figuratively) and their aircraft are relatively inexpensive to purchase, but notoriously difficult to maintain long-term due to poor support.

    The US is also reluctant to sell any of its top quality items, where as Russia isn't as picky and plays both sides in any conflict.

    You can't go wrong with the Harpoonski
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    Or perhaps a Kilo or two.
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    Despite being an older design, Buk is being modernized to keep pace with emerging threats. It's cheaper and less politically sensitive then a battery of S-300/400, as China would be concerned about that sale, but is still a highly capable weapon system.

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    And thought the focus internationally is usually on sea and air deterrence due to problems in the SCS, the Philippines continues to have issues with militancy, so Russian group equipment, rugged and capable as it is, is a solid investment as well.

    BTR-80 is a great investment, and can be supported or upgraded by either Russia or Ukraine.
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    If the Philippines are going to get serious about their own defense, perhaps relying too much on the Americans was a bad idea from the start. It lulled the Philippines into a false sense of security. Diversifying you weapons wont hurt, and you can still opt to keep the Americans around for good measure, just with buying less of their gear.
     
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    The Philippine Marine Corps is interested in BMP-3F, particularly as an amphibious vehicle with fire support capability as the only vehicle in the PMC that has that capability is the vintage LVTH-6.

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    I don't believe that America is a reliable arms partner since the cold war ended. They are very picky about selling weapons and they don't like to share technology. Russia is willing to sell big quantity of weapons and doesn't care about the politics behind the sales. They also have lower price. Seeing that Russia is willing to give away weapons to the Phillipines for free really shows that they are keen on cutting America out of the Philippines defence market in the long term. The Philippines doesn't have anything new from America, its all older used equipment that doesn't give Philippines any real serious military capability, Russia can give them free things that have real capability, again because they don't play world politics softly. Duterte is smart to diversify his military suppliers, you can't rely on a couple countries.
     
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    The American's are reliable so long as you serve their interests or are firmly on their side. Norway, Australia, Japan, the UK and Israel are all privy to top-tier American made systems, as are some Gulf nations with the money to buy them, but that's shifting now that the US and Iran soothe tensions between each other.

    When you're a nation that is perceived by the Americans to be an iffy partner or a loose cannon, they are more reluctant to help. Vietnam, the Philippines, Ukraine, Egypt, even India and Pakistan, each nation's alignment with the US is questionable based on past actions and future prospects, such as the election of pro-Chinese governments in Vietnam or the Philippines or a pro-Russia party in Ukraine and this makes the US far more reluctant to sell quality arms to these nations.

    Of course not doing so could also see said nations moving further out of the US alignment too as a result of being disgruntled with the American's commitment to their partnership, as the Philippines illustrates, but it's a two-way street and both sides must show progress and commitment.

    The American's are reliable, but only if you are historical, and strong partner of theirs.
     
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    Countries are only reliable to each other as long as they both need each other and their interests are aligned, this is especially true with military-defense relations. The US also considers regional balances of power and sells weapons with that in mind. If you look at the middle east you will see this clearly.

    Within the next few years you will see instability in the Philippines as the big powers fight over who has influence there, of course it won't be shown like that on TV but people with some common sense will understand what is going on.

    Everyone plays their own games and creates scenarios to suit themselves, that's why I don't complain about anyone's policies and frame it in a good guy bad guy fashion unless one country is killing civilians enmasse and or doing something that results in serious social problems.
     
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    "Duterte said in speeches in Manila on Tuesday that the United States did not want to sell missiles and other weapons to the Philippines, but that Russia and China had told him they could provide them easily."
    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-philippines-duterte-arms-obstacle-idUSKCN1242IJ
    Lets be real here though, the Philippines is a long time ally and it is in our interest to keep them strong. It is unacceptable that we aren't wiling to sell them some missiles. The Philippines probably isn't our only Ally getting treated like crap.|Banghead|
     
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