Stopgap Air defence solution for Turkey

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  1. Atilla

    Atilla Major

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    Turkey cancelled its T-Loramids air defence project a month ago in favor of developing an indigenous air defence system. The indigenous system Hisar-U system will take about a decade to build and be delivered. Turkey urgently needs improved air defence and BMD capabilities and will there for go for a stop-gap solution. Turkey will most likely purchase either the Patriot or Aster 30 system. Turkey will most likely purchase 2 systems. After the order is placed they will take between 30-40 months to arrive.

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...lls-stopgap-air-defense-acquisition/76976836/
     
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    I don't know what they mean by two systems but here is some information on how we do it the U.S.:

    Each Fire Unit consists of up to 16 M901 Launching Stations with a total of 64 PAC-2 Missiles [or four times that number of PAC-3], along with an Antenna Mast Group, a Radar Set AN/MPQ-53 phased array, an Electric Power Plant, and an AN/MSQ-104 Engagement Control Station.

    Each US Army Patriot battalion consists of four firing units [batteries] doctrinally armed with six launchers. Each launcher is either Patriot Advanced Capability (PAC)-2 capable or PAC-3 capable, the difference being in numberand type of missiles or interceptors that it can fire. PAC-3 launchers are capable of holding four PAC-3 pods, each of which holds four PAC-3 interceptors. PAC-2 launchers are capable of holding four PAC-2 pods, each of which holds one PAC-2 interceptor. In total, a battery fully armed with PAC-3 launchers and PAC-3 interceptors could ideally control a total of 96 interceptors, whereas a fully PAC-2 armed battery could control a total of 24 interceptors.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/space/systems/patriot-unit.htm
     
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    ''System'' in this case probably means battery,so two batteries.
    I read somewhere that it will be the SAMP/T with Aster 30 block 1 missiles from Italy.
     
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    They will probably bring it for testing purposes to prove that it as good as the Patriot. The Patriot has very good performance in Yemen by Saudi Military. It has shot down multiple ballistic missiles. This stop gap solutions I think is not concentrating on Transferring of Technology, very good chance I think that Patriot can win.
     
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    Just buy the Patriot and be finished. Look at the threats we are facing. All anti air and BMD programs must be sped up. TF-2000 Air Defence Frigates need to be completed asap. We are waiting for our radar and missile programs to mature to move forward, maybe we should consider some foreign subsystems as a temporary solution for a few ships.
     
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    Turkey Weighs MEADS as Air Defense Option

    We are facing a multitude of threats and may not have the luxury to wait for several years before an indigenous development program materializes,” said one senior security official.

    An industry source said: “Clearly with the cancellation of T-LORAMIDS [the Chinese system selected in 2013] by Turkey, additional alternative systems are options. Germans are talking to Turkey about the benefits of MEADS, with further discussions planned. MEADS capabilities and an industrial cooperation model are a good fit for their desired path forward.”


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    About MEADS

    The Requirement
    The Medium Extended Air Defense System (MEADS) has been developed to International Common Operational Requirements to provide system capabilities not met by fielded air and missile defense systems.

    MEADS incorporates the advanced hit-to-kill PAC-3 MSE missile, surveillance and fire control sensors, battle management/communication centers, and high-firepower launchers. It combines superior battlefield protection with unprecedented flexibility that allows it to protect maneuver forces and to provide homeland defense.

    360° Coverage
    Unlike Patriot, or any other deployed system, the mobile air defense system will be able to destroy all incoming tactical or medium-range ballistic missiles, cruise missiles, unmanned aerial vehicles, or aircraft as well as weapons of mass destruction. MEADS provides vastly greater firepower, combat-proven hit-to-kill technology, 360-degree radar coverage, and a plug-and-fight battle management network architecture.

    Now a candidate to replace Patriot systems in Germany under the TLVS program, MEADS meets the “capabilities oriented” requirements of Germany’s air defense concept. MEADS is also expected to be adopted by the Italian Air Force.

    Plug-and-Fight
    MEADS will provide capabilities beyond any other fielded or planned air and missile defense system. It will be easily deployed to a theater of operations and once there, will keep pace with fast-moving maneuver forces. When completed, MEADS will be the only air and missile defense system able to roll off tactical transports with the troops and almost immediately begin operations. More importantly, its open architecture will provide for 21st century air and missile defense system-of-system integration capabilities that allow operational mission-tailoring for homeland defense or defense of maneuver forces. MEADS will also provide greater firepower with less manpower than current systems, producing dramatic operation and support cost savings.

    Multinational
    In May 2005, MEADS International (MI) signed a definitized contract valued at $3.4 billion for MEADS design and development. A multinational joint venture headquartered in Orlando, FL, MI’s participating companies are MBDA Italia, MBDA Deutschland, and Lockheed Martin in the United States. Together, these companies created an international engineering team in Orlando to develop systems and technologies for the MEADS program, which is closely watched as a model for collaborative transatlantic development. The United States funded 58 percent of the MEADS program, and European partners Germany and Italy provided 25 percent and 17 percent respectively.

    http://meads-amd.com/about-meads/
     
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    MEADS will probably be ready in 2018,when ordered it will still take two years for it to be operational,so 4 years.
     
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    Knowing our guys this will equal 10 years. We should buy some second hand Patriots, the longer we wait the less we can act in the region if we need too.

     
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