Surface To Air Missiles Arrive On China's Island Outpost In The South China Sea

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  1. AMDR

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    Surface To Air Missiles Arrive On China's Island Outpost In The South China Sea
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    The first steps to fortify China’s growing island empire in the South China Sea are underway as a pair of HQ-9 missile batteries have appeared on Woody Island, located in the northern portion of the South China Sea. This is the same highly developed island that has received major airfield upgrades and J-11 fighter aircraft recently.

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    Hmm, interesting. Sure to gain a bit of publicity and some fear from the masses, but honestly, I think it's a stupid move by China.

    Not because it'll move the SCS even closer to the US, nope the region isn't stupid and never believed the, "the islands are for civilian purposes" garbage anyway. Rather I think it's stupid because it's visible and what can be seen can be planned for and defeated. That we know about this move means so does the US military and the Japanese, Vietnamese and well, everyone interested in knowing. It gives China a sense of security, same as the walls of our homes, but we all know that while protective to an extent, every wall can be cracked or felled. This is no different.

    How can it be used anyway? The US knows about it, it plans for it. Can China turn on their radars to warn away US aircraft flying too close? Of course they can, but not without handing the US a boon of useful ELINT. They are show pieces, history tells us that walls of any kind don't hold an attacker forever, especially not an attacker as clever as the US military. China built its wall, puts its card out for us to see, now the US holds its own and knows China's.

    Went a defender makes their defenses clear, the attacker dictates the show. China's committed to a static A2/AD strategy centered around hard to resupply islands... there are far too many options the US is left with to break it.

    Just as Germany went around, not through, the Maginot Line:

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    So too will the US find a way past China's defenses - in this photo of Woody Island, it's HQ-9 batteries:

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    But it's worth noting, this island, Woody Island, is actually pretty close to China's Hainan Island, so it's not as if the island is too far from Chinese territory and left to fend for itself.

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    It's definitely within range of Vietnamese 3M-54 land attack missiles though:D:

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    Still, submarines, arsenal planes, long-range land attack missiles, railgun bombardment, hyper sonic glide vehicles... each give the US another tool in its belt to deal with this problem.

    This deployment, not even the first in history by China on disputed islands, will cause some diplomatic tensions, posturing, internet trolling, and a bit of other standard responses when these incidents arise. But the US military can be counted on to plan for such. It's hardly a critical threat.
     
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    I think this deployment is more political than anything else. We moved the THAADS to South Korea, a hot zone and now China is deploying her HQ-9's to another hot zone, it gives the Chinese people reassurance that their government is taking a tough stance against Uncle Sam in the region.

    Does the deployment make military sense? Well I think it doesn't hurt. Its not ideal to have a mobile SAM stuck on an Island, perhaps deploying the Luyang-II class Air Defense Destroyer in the vicinity is a smarter move. Maybe they have already done so. But by sending the HQ-9 the message is clear to the Chinese and International populace. Remember how Russia sent its Moscova Air Defense Cruiser off the coast of Syria? It didn't get as big of a reaction as when the S-400 was deployed? To the average guy every naval ship looks the same whether it carries cruise missiles or air defense missiles but a mobile SAM looks different and sends the message that you can't fly here. A ship sends the message that you can't sail here even though in actuality it is also saying you can't fly here.

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    The Chinese government are good at "double-speak" - they will say it is for civilian purposes but in truth, they are also using it FOR military purposes,
     
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    The population of the island is less than 2000. It really extends Chinese reach into the pacific.

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    Ethnic Chinese live on the island, Vietnam will never be getting it. Woody island looks like a nice place to be deployed as a soldier.
     
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