Sweden Shoots Down NATO Membership

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  1. Falcon

    Falcon Lieutenant Colonel Staff Member Social Media Team

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    Sweden Says No to NATO Even as Study Shows Advantages of Joining
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    Sweden’s government affirmed its military neutrality even as a government-commissioned report broadly sided with those in favor of joining the North Atlantic Treaty Organization amid rising tensions with Russia.

    "Our non-alignment policy serves us well," Foreign Minister Margot Wallstroem said in Stockholm Friday after receiving the report. Joining NATO "would expose Sweden to risks, both political and otherwise, and we don’t think that’s the right direction."

    The country has been forging closer ties with the military alliance, taking part in joint military exercises that have angered authorities in Moscow. A stable, geographically strategic democracy such as Sweden would be a welcome addition for NATO as it struggles to contain a more assertive Russia on its eastern flank.

    The review released on Friday in Stockholm refrained from making a formal recommendation.

    While NATO membership would “increase common conflict-deterrent capabilities,” it would also spark a political crisis with Russia and possibly lead to a regional arms race, the review concluded.

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    The EU maintains 18 battlegroups as part of a collective defense initiative. These include non-EU members and exclude some EU members too.

    Sweden is part of one of these eighteen battlegroups - the Nordic Battlegroup:

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    If a nation were to attack a non-NATO, but EU member state, that would draw Sweden into the conflict alongside fellow non-NATO/defacto-NATO nation Finland.

    But look at the other parties of the EU Battlegroup. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Norway. All NATO members. So if the EU's Nordic Battlegroup is mobilized, which Denmark - a NATO and EU member declined to participate in - NATO members would be drawn into the conflict too.

    What does this mean for NATO's participation? If no attack takes place against a NATO member nation, but those nations soldiers are fighting in a conflict as part of an EU Battlegroup, does this draw NATO into the conflict too?

    Conversely, an attack on Latvia, Lithuania or Estonia would draw non-EU member Norway into the conflict as they are all NATO members, but seeing as how Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia are also EU members, in addition to NATO partners, this would draw Sweden and Finland into the conflict too as part of an EU collective defense initiative.

    Either way you look at it, no matter whether Sweden is a NATO member or not, it's defense posture is closely linked to NATO.
     
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    Sweden doesn't really need to join NATO, they are already carrying out exercises with NATO countries and everything. They don't border Russia either so its not that big of a deal. In all honesty I don't think Russia has its eyes on Scandinavia, the only place I see any issue in the North is with Arctic resources. Russia has more problems to deal with in Ukraine and with Poland.
     
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    They even participate in NATO led missions like ISAF and the Resolute Support Mission in Afghanistan - The Provincial Reconstruction Team in Mazar I Sharif was led by the Swedish Army before they withdrew from Afghanistan.

    Swedish forces have withdrawn, but they still contribute to the Resolute Support Mission.

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    Funny how Iceland is present too. It doesn't have a standing military. Nice to see Georgia and Ukraine involved as well.

    So Sweden gets to practice with NATO forces, get combat, logistics and command experience and all without the political pressures or pratfalls associated with actually joining the alliance.

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    Neither ISAF or RSM are NATO operations, but NATO member nations have led and continue to lead both initiatives.

    Maybe some East Finish territory, especially the parts with a large Russian minority population and in the Arctic they jostle with Canada, the US and Norway for dominance and the occasional island that thawed, but yeah, I'm not concerned about them either.

    We keep tabs on their movements in the North, and Sweden, Finland and Denmark watch them in the Baltic, but its the Baltic nations and Poland that've more to worry about from Russia as they are militarily weaker, have larger Russia populations and are economically vulnerable.
     
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    And the report still says that its best to join NATO.....

    The report don't make too much sense. :idea:
     
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    I very doubt in it. We'll not use nuclear weapon against non-nuclear country, or country not allied with nuclear one. Became a NATO member means Sweden cities became a legitime target for a nuclear warheads.
     
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    Swedish defence capabilities.
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    LOL funny one. Have you seen the norwegian defence staff ? :D

    @YarS It is both most likely good. There is not much negative. But if you ask norwegian ppl if it is ok to joine war they will understand. I have spoken to some Sweden people they are very cool about it when it comes to Russia

    Just to add. I hear some norwegian say big no when it comes to war with Russia. They think it is more important to build friendship And i would lie if i say they don't have Russia phobia
     
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