The German Military is in Shambles

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  1. Falcon

    Falcon Major Staff Member Social Media Team

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    German Military Called 'Overstretched, Underfunded'

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    BERLIN — Germany's military is overstretched and underfunded as its troops are engaged in anti-jihadist missions from Syria and Afghanistan to Mali while also aiding refugees at home, the defense commissioner said Tuesday, according to Agence France-Presse.

    Plagued by a series of defense equipment failures, the military is "at a crossroads" and has reached "the limit of its capacity for interventions," said Hans-Peter Bartels.

    Founded in 1955, the Bundeswehr had a peak force of 600,000 at the end of the Cold War when West Germany conscripted young men, and has since shrunk to a 177,000-strong volunteer force.

    This is not the first report to sound the alarm over the state of the German military. An official account in December listed a number of deficiencies in the German air force, with other sources claiming that less than half of military planes were combat-ready. Last week, the Ministry of Defense announced that Germany could not fly its Tornado reconnaissance jets over Syria at night, due to malfunctioning cockpit lights.


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    That is some serious decay, I think even after years of sanctions Iran is better off than Germany. How is this even possible? The Germans are spending $44 billion a year on defense. Whats going on?
     
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    Maybe the German public doesn't care too much about the state of its military to protest its current condition and call for change. Maybe the Germans think because we have troops stationed in Germany that they are good to go. Maybe they think that because they are surrounded by EU and NATO countries more spending is unnecessary.

    They have a fully professional military, much of their budget goes to supporting that. If they brought back conscription they could bring down defense costs.
     
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    I think they've fallen into a "complacency trap." Germany doesn't face too many problems other than its domestic issues. Unlike the Baltics or Scandinavians, Germany doesn't have Russian aircraft testing its airspace - mostly because of Denmark:

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    It also doesn't have the issue with Russian ships that the Mediterranean and Baltics, plus the UK, have:

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    Likely for territorial reasons, Denmark's waters and air space are easier to violate then Germany's due to some island claims, Russia doesn't really bother with Germany:

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    Even Baltic Air Policing isn't exactly the most thrilling of activities:

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    It's just flying and saying hello. And with other NATO member nations contributing:

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    Germany can get away with only maintaining the readiness of a few aircraft.

    Germany also seems to lack a reason for maintaining a credible military. Without Russia poking them too much, either their air or sea, and without the threat of an invasion from the East, they lack viable concerns in Europe. Unlike France in Africa or the UK in the Middle East, often due to the US, or Italy in Libya, again apart from NATO duties Germany seems to lack a reason. Other nations have Russia or colonial concerns, or are helping the US, which Germany is in Syria, but only with limited recon and logistics support.

    Germany, facing a lack of threats or concerns seems to have gotten complacent. Poland, facing a credible Russian threat, has better readiness then Germany.
     
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    The German Cancelor Gerhard Schröder cultivated close ties with Russian President Vladimir Putin, in an attempt to strengthen the" strategic partnership" between Berlin and Moscow, including the opening of a gas pipeline from Russian Dan Marino-Pipelines over the Baltic Sea exclusively between Russia and Germany.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schröder
    This was one of the major reasons for Germany to cut back on defence expenditure and reduce the numbers of German armed forces and equipment.
    Then there is the dependence on German know-how and heavy machinery for the Russian domestic industry,Russia needs Germany and vice versa.
     
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    T-123456 Captain Staff Member International Mod

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    Operating,maintenance,personnel costs are higher in Germany,even with the cutbacks.
     
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    Instead to buy and modernize new material like things, which are able to shoot...no, the Bundeswehr must distribute the additional money to other areas like personal and R&D. What did are i awaiting with such plans to get indeed 7000 soldiers, but 4400 bureaucrats, too. Yeah, we have the only army on the entire world, who is able to beat our enemys with papers...literally.|Wacky|
     
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    Dont worry,$7/8 billion a year for the next 10 years only for new equipment will make sure that you are up to date.
     
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