Turkey’s fighter aircraft choices: From hard to hardest

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    As Turkey prepares to phase out its fleet of F-16 fighters by 2030 due to high upgrade, repair and maintenance costs, it faces challenging options to rebuild a solid fleet with deterrent firepower.

    “We need to think more creatively if we should avoid any aerial operational weaknesses in the next 20 years when we expect to be fighting a multitude of asymmetrical - and perhaps - conventional security threats,” said one senior Air Force official.

    Turkey remains committed to the multinational Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) program, the most expensive ever weapons program with a lifetime price tag of $1.5 trillion.

    As part of the program, Turkey’s top defense procurement panel, the Defense Industry Executive Committee, chaired by Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, ordered in early March the defense procurement agency, the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM), to place an order for eight more F-35 fighter aircraft.

    “The decision confirms Turkey’s commitment to the program,” said one defense official.

    But the JSF program is facing several problems which are annoying Turkey’s defense and military officials.

    “We hope the future of the program goes smoother than its past,” said one defense official.

    “For us the most important parameter is the delivery schedule,” said the Air Force official.

    On March 24, Gen. Christopher Bogdan, who oversees the JSF program, said in a written testimony to the U.S. House Armed Services subcommittee on tactical air and land forces that the F-35 would not get its combat capability package until late 2017, putting the long-delayed aircraft another four months behind schedule. The reason for the most recent delay is software testing issues on the newer 3F software, especially the knock-on-effect of past delays on older versions of the software.

    According to Michael Gilmore, the Pentagon’s chief weapons tester, the JSF program will be delayed for one year due to several technical shortfalls, including problems with radar software.

    Recently, Pentagon evaluators cited major problems with the F-35’s software, both on the ground and aboard the aircraft. For instance, maintenance software designed to diagnose problems fail to detect the difference between healthy parts and defective ones. Also a communication problem between the F-35’s radar computer and its central computer cause the radar to switch off roughly every four hours of flight time. That requires pilots to reboot it.

    Earlier in March, the Pentagon forecast a 3 percent drop in acquisition costs for the F-35. But said plans to use the jets for six more years would add about $45 billion to the projected operating costs through 2070.

    The Defense Department’s annual report on major weapons programs forecast the total cost of the stealth fighter jet program would reach $1.5 trillion by 2070 including development and procurement, as well as operating costs and inflation. That was up from the previous estimate in 2014 of $1.41 trillion.

    Turkey plans to buy 100 F-35s. Meanwhile, Ankara is thriving to go ahead with its indigenous fighter aircraft program, dubbed TFX, which will require an initial investment of $6-7 billion. Turkey’s military and defense officials are in pre-contract negotiations with U.K.-based BAE Systems for the ambitious program.

    Turkey plans to buy 100 F-35s. Meanwhile, Ankara is thriving to go ahead with its indigenous fighter aircraft program, dubbed TFX, which will require an initial investment of $6-7 billion. Turkey’s military and defense officials are in pre-contract negotiations with U.K.-based BAE Systems for the ambitious program.

    Turkey hopes to finish the fighter’s prototype by 2023. By 2019, 80 percent of design, electrical and electronic components, flight, warfare and communications systems and manufacturing plans will have been completed.

    “The Turkish plan is a little bit too optimistic,” said one international aerospace expert. “There surely will be numerous anticipated and unanticipated technical glitches along the path. I think the Turks should better devise contingency plans for major delays in this program, beyond what they calculate today.”

    “We want this program to proceed flawlessly. We cannot afford to face operational weaknesses due to an aging fleet [of F-16s] and delays in two major fighter programs,” said the Air Force general.

    March/30/2016
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    The Turkish plan for the TF-X is quite ambitious but ambition is what makes countries great. Russia is already working on plans for a 6th generation fighter, I don't think there is anything wrong or unusual about developing a 5th generation fighter. Turkey produces F-16's and F-35's as well as other indigenous platforms, I think Turkey can build its own bird.
     
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    The bird is not the problem,the engines are and without indigenous engines,the program is not indigenous(to me).
     
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    I can see your concerns but as you know Turkey has to start building its own Fighter Jet one day, if not today then when? Can't we use that argument until the end of time?

    Turkey's first airplanes were powered by foreign engines but it was a good start, I saw many Turks talk about this on other forums.

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    The TF-X will boost Turkey's scientific, technological, and industrial development. It will help propel Turkey into the upper tier nations. Turkey was previously acquiring aircraft via direct procurement, later via co production, and now via indigenous production. This is the normal process, why should Turkey stop at co production while others go ahead with indigenous production?

    The next aircraft procurement decisions made by Turkey will be critical, the US plans to fly the F-35 until 2070. Imagine if Turkey doesn't go forward with the TF-X, it will be stuck with all foreign aircraft for the next 60 years. TF-X is the only real way forward unless someone intentionally wants their country to be dependent.

    I want to see what other options the author has for Turkey. Its easy to be pessimistic but pessimistic people don't get very far in life. Throughout history the intelligently ambitious men have ruled the day.

    The Project Moves Forward !!!!

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    Dont worry about the author,we know his stance,its about the points he makes.
    Along side the ''bird'',we need to develop our own engine(like the Cinese are doing),no matter the costs.
     
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