U.K., Japan condemn fourth North Korean nuke test, urge stronger military cooperation

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    The Japanese and British foreign and defense ministers on Friday issued a joint condemnation of North Korea’s nuclear test and pledged to strengthen military cooperation between Japan and the United Kingdom.

    Japan in recent years has been gathering a lot of support from western nations, are they the counter balance to china in the region?
     
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    I think they are to some extent but they aren't going to be allowed to become the dominant power in the region. Countries like Korea, the Philippines, and Taiwan are all together a sufficient counter balance to China. There is no intention of creating a second China if you know what I mean.
     
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    As a direct response to North Korea, South Korea is exploring basing options for US strategic weapons:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKBN0UK0G420160107

    No word on what exactly is being proposed though.

    In a tangential, but notable movement, the RAF is looking to send aircraft to Japan for the first time since the Cold War:

    http://www.defensenews.com/story/de...ed-defense-and-security-cooperation/78506810/

    Aimed at North Korea? Or China? Perhaps neither, but it's interesting to note that this is even happening. Something, probably the US, is spurning this into action.

    Like Russia, Brazil, Iran and Saudi Arabia, and Japan before it, China can be one hell or a regional player. Economically it's global, but its military is too regional and its political dealings are tied into its economic plans - still regional, but spreading out a bit. China's problem is familiar: nation's want their money but not their influence, we see this very apparent in Europe which is courting Chinese business, but telling them to keep their politics to themselves.

    I don't see them becoming a global power without furthering their political dealings, and right now there's no appetite from the rest of the world.
     
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    Historically China has never been a global power, but the 21st century does give them a chance to be more active outside of their backyard especially in Africa and Central Asia. Once they build more air craft carriers countries will be able work with China to provide security instead of the U.S. We could see neutral countries slipping into their sphere of influences. But will Russia be happy with this?
     
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    That is an interesting question indeed. Economically? Russia has no choice. It's ceding power to China in Central Asia, it never had and lost even more clout in Europe, even its vaunted gas and oil industries are losing out as Russian-EU/European relations are on the fritz, Russia never had too much economic power in Africa or South America either, and even in bastions like Cuba, the US is muscling in at the expense of Russia. Russia still retains great economic interest in India and is gaining in a reforming and reemerging Iran, but beyond that it has no choice but to cede to Chinese economic influence.

    Politically both Russia and China remain juniors, but China is still ahead. Russia's political initiatives like the SCO and EEU remain largely as they where when founded - boy's clubs that meet once a year, express a desire to move away from a US-led world, and resolve to meet again the next year to express the same views. They haven't really become anything else. But China's political dealings, often intertwined with their economics, have taken off significantly. In Africa and Central Asia China is gaining ground, especially as its economic investments grow. The AIIB was a Chinese coup in Europe, but it's done little to lessen the US grip on the continent, still, it's completely overtaken Russia. Once again, and like in their economic dealings, Russia retains India and is slowing gaining Pakistan, Iran is split between China and Russia, but again Cuba is being lost.

    Militarily? Well maybe here's where Russia still retains its punch. Venezuela, Vietnam, Iran, India, Malaysia... on and on, many nations bow to Russia for their arms, not China - partially because of Russian politics and economics where China agreed not to sell its clones of Russian aircraft to appease and keep Russia in its sphere. China's military is growing, but even regionally, and especially as it continues to anger its neighbors, Russia retains its influence - it isn't angering China's neighbors (except for Turkmenistan), but it continues to lose ground near Europe and the Middle East, China doesn't gain any there to offset Russian loses though.

    Is Russia happy about being a junior partner to China or ceding ground as China grows? Probably not, at lease militarily and politically, but economically? Yes, they have no choice and Chinese investments in the region benefit Russia too.
     
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    Good ideas and thoughts. I think China might actually be trying to completely get ahead of Russia instead of America as everyone thinks. ;) Russia actually is a big competition for them in many areas like defense industry [selling to poorer non America aligned countries], and in Central Asia for controlling the gas [Russia doesn't want China to suck up all of the gas because Russia wants to extort it for low price from Central Asia then sell to europe at higher price]. It is better for Iran to work with China in long term than with Iran because Russian and Iranian interests clash in middle east and central asia, so Russia could lose Iran to China and west with big deals [economy and military for China].

    Let me talk on DPRK nuke test :D. It is not known if the can actually deliver a nuke, so far only underground radiation treatment for their country. China has even condemned their recent hydrogen bomb test. I think China is scared that they can't control DPRK and that it is a magnet for American soldiers to the region. If DPRK was more serious or didn't exist then there would be no need for US bases in Korean peninsula. If DPRK gets effective nukes than they secure their government until the people rise up. South Korea does not rely on America that much so I think maybe Chian doesn't see them as big threat, definetly not how they view Japan.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ea-to-make-efforts-to-halt-north-korean-nukes

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    DPRK Space Program

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    Update... US exploring strategic options including, but not limited too, F-22, B-2 and an unnamed class of SSN being based in South Korea as a response to North Korea's nuclear weapons test - it definitely wasn't thermonuclear:

    The United States and its ally South Korea are in talks toward sending further strategic U.S. assets to the Korean peninsula, a day after a U.S. B-52 bomber flew over South Korea in response to North Korea's nuclear test last week.

    "The United States and South Korea are continuously and closely having discussions on additional deployment of strategic assets," Kim Min-seok, spokesman at the South Korean defense ministry said on Monday, declining to give specifics.

    South Korean media said strategic assets Washington may utilize in Korea included B-2 bombers, nuclear-powered submarines and F-22 stealth fighter jets.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-nuclear-idUSKCN0UP08O20160111

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    That'll rattle some bones in China too, but North Korea is the gift that keeps on giving for the US military in East Asia, that and a more assertive China, though Japan and not South Korea supports that effort.
     
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