us army combatives program is irrelevant

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  1. aimtrue

    aimtrue Officer Candidate

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    soldiers learning to fight is not relevant to combat out in the field

    to put things in perspective ive trained mma and bjj and ive been certified in combatives in the us army

    The problem with modern us combatives program is that it trains to fight unarmed until at higher levels when you learn to fight against armed enemies.

    BJJ is useless against someone with a knife you dont know about. Ive rolled at no gi bjj classes and i always knew there were opportunities to stab if one were to have a knife.

    MMA is a sport. In some organizations you can knee people in the head while theyre down on their knees but not in ufc. You cant elbow someone on the back of the head either but in street fights i recall ive done that many times to good effect.

    Combatives is irrelevant to real world combat situations.

    The program needs to be revised as follows.

    1. Acclimation to violence. Basically have soldiers get familiar with pugilism without rules. Sparring with instructor observing to minimize injury to combatants. One minute rounds where soldiers fight with anything goes. This familiarizes soldiers to violence and gets them used to fist fights.
    2. Lethal threat defense unarmed. Technique training to defend against enemies that intend on killing you.
    3. Lethal applications with knife or unarmed disabling techniques. Technique training on how to kill your enemy the fastest.

    Get rid of mma style combatives training. Even local street fighters know ground fighting can get your head stomped on and killed if the other party has a knife you dont know about. Go ahead and attempt a triangle choke while the other guy pulls out a knife and starts stabbing violently into your thigh.
     
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    There are a number of guys in the army that join while never having been involved in fist fights before. From my experience there is a big jump in aggression levels if one is accustomed to fights. The combatives program should indoctrinate and familiarize soldiers to aggression.
     
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    Something like this?

    Or this?

    Or this?


    Of course, it is good, but first that need be trained in a warrior is a firmness. "Be calm and kill enemies".
    Do you remember Mattew 5:43-44?

    "Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.

    44But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;"

    When you love your enemies it will be easy and pleasure to bring them a death. Death is universal medicine, she protect their souls from degaradation and present them hope to heavens.
     
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    I agree, as long as someone is not accustomed to fighting and getting hit in the face then the will be shocked when the real thing happens. Learning a few scripted moves won't do any good either, overall soldiers need to learn concepts and beat each other up.
     
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