What if America had decided to join the Axis powers in WW2

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  1. Myachiguy11

    Myachiguy11 2nd Lieutenant

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    I was just wondering if any of you had ever thought about what would have happened if America surrendered after Pearl Harbor , and then was forced to join the axis powers just like the French? If you have any idea please post.
     
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    I don't think we would have surrendered after Pearl Harbor and I don't think we could have been occupied like France because the US military was capable of defending the homeland. If the military had collapsed then the American people could hold the line, after all most of us are armed so an invading force would face a rifle behind every blade of grass.

    If we joined the Axis then I definitely think that the Axis would have won WW2. If it wasn't for US troops in Europe and Asia the axis would have had their way without any issue. The reason why they lost was because they couldn't keep up with our production capabilities.
     
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    You are so right! We built more ships than the Axis could sink. We didn't just build ships at our ship yards. There were lots of parts built inland and then assembled at the ship yards. And Pearl Harbor itself was not that deep so lots of sunken ships could be raised and drained.

    And no offense to the French but they are good at surrendering. That being said I love the french people. I went on vacation to Paris and the french people were so nice and helpful to me. I butchered their language yet they still helped me out. A few guys even escorted me to the places that I could not find. French men are such gentleman. The ladies also helped me out a lot on what tastes good or not tooooo good.
     
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    It is very difficult to predict scenario like that. But America would have still the right condition to be the strongest Empire. Europe would most likely fall back to normal as it is to day. That is my judgment on it.
     
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    Technofox That Norwegian girl Staff Member Ret. Military Developer

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    History tells us the Americans don't surrender, they fight and fight hard. So I don't think they'd have rolled over and become a vassal of the Japanese or Germans, rather they may have willingly joined the Axis if their belief was that the Axis was the likely winner of WWII. Obviously their calculus was different, but what if that did happen and the Americans joined the Axis as an equal?

    Britain survived in large part due to the American lend-Lease program which allowed them to rapidly replenish ships and crews during wartime. Without American support, the UK would likely have been overran by the superior Kriegsmarine... even worse if the Americans turned their attention against the UK during wartime as an Axis partner.

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    Imagine the industrial capacity of the Americans which demolished a massive and hardened Imperial Japanese Navy in the Pacific showing up off the coasts of a beleaguered Europe? No ships from the Lend-Lease program and the UK would have been largely unable to defend itself from both the Germans and Americans. The North Africa Campaign would draw too many necessary resources and couldn't be sustained against an Axis assault. Forced to defend their homeland from the Germans and Americans, it'd crumble and the Germans and Italians would have largely unharassed access to North Africa and the Middle East.

    Without British support, which helped support Polish and French partisans and pulled assets away from the Far North where the Russians where threatening German rule, Norway would likely have not been liberated from German Occupation. Russia liberated the North, but the British and their irregular partners not only supported the Norwegian Government in Exile (alongside Sweden who provided material and financial support), but also played a critical role in attacking the Germans in Norway as part of the Battles of Narvik.

    With the Americans not providing extra ships are the Brits able to harass the Germans in the Barents Sea? Is the RAF able to score victories against Tirpitz which was sunk while at anchor in Norway?

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    Are Polish and French partisans drawn into defending British soil rather then being freed up to help during the Norwegian Campaign? It's unlikely that Norway would have had the support it needed.

    Canada is often joked about as being an American 51st state, but if the Americans when a different way during WWII do the Canadians follow? Against the Americans it's also unlikely the Canadians, who were reliant on the British and Americans for material support, but who played a critical role during the Campaign in Europe would have been able to thwart an American assault. Do they join the Americans as an Axis power thereby refusing France another element that was used during the Liberation of France later in WWII? Do they fight the Americans? Or do they form a neutrality pact like Sweden and provide support to neither side?

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    Back in the Pacific the combined Japanese-American force would have rolled over smaller island and overtaken Australia. Turning to China where the US provided support against Japanese rule IRL, without the support from the Americans, China would face a withering uphill climb against the Japanese, let alone a combined force.

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    Does the Chinese Communist Revolution never happen as a result and what would that mean for a modern China?

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    Russia remains the only wildcard I think. It was a tough slog for a superior German force as is, and I'm not sure if the Americans could really have turned the tide. Their Navy would have played a crucial role in the Arctic cutting off Russian shipping especially as the American Lend Lease program also supplied 810000 ton of shipping to the Soviet Navy in WWII which wouldn't be transfer to Russia if the Americans were an Axis power and the Japanese in the East would have drawn assets away from the Western Theater (as was the plan during WWII IRL), so perhaps they'd have won yet but it likely would have been the most hazardous and deadly aspect of the war.

    Interesting stuff to ponder, but there's no mistaking the impact the Americans would have had if they have been an Axis power too. Even providing material support as a vassal, the US' massive, and largely untouched by war, industrial capacity would have proved crucial to the Germans and Japanese.
     
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    In this scenario Soviet Union crush German and Japan by himself, occupy (with Chinies communists) South-East Asia, may be British colonies (like India and Australia) will be their allies too. Then - short period of "Elephant vs whale" game. Then - building of new shipyards, fleets, and competition in sea war. Old world have more resourses, so more chances to win.
     
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