Would Western and Southern Europe Spend Blood and Gold on Eastern Europe?

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  1. Falcon

    Falcon Lieutenant Colonel Staff Member Social Media Team

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    In the age of Donald Trump leaders in Europes halls of power have been questioning whether or not the United States of America under the leadership of Donald Trump would stay inline with its NATO obligations particularly that of collective defense. Former U.S. Ambassador to NATO, Doug Loute said "for the first time in 70 years, the U.S.'s rock-solid commitment to the alliance is in question.". For now it seems those concerns have been assuaged as the U.S. continues to deploy troops to Eastern Europe and continues to lead large multinational exercises in the Baltic's. It seems as though the Europeans are slowly realizing that U.S. is committed to its NATO obligations but that the U.S. will not continue to foot the bill as it is forced to reposition its military forces away from Europe and the Middle East towards the Pacific. President Trump praised Poland for its commitment to NATO and showcased it as an example for other NATO members.





    Of course placing Poland on a pedestal will likely have little impact on Western and Southern European decision making when they sit down to come up with their governments budget plans. The Europeans view American attempts to set parts of their budget as an attack on their sovereignty and it is difficult for Western and Southern European leaders to justify defense spending hikes when most Western and Southern European countries do not face any strategic threats that warrant higher levels of defense spending, at least that is what their electorates believe. With that in mind we come to the realization that NATO countries do not have a unifying threat encouraging their cooperation as was the case in the Cold War when Western and Southern Europe was at risk of being overrun by the Russians. We can also come to the realization that many Western and Southern European countries actually see Russia not as a threat but as large trade partner. Southern Europe exports agricultural products to Russia and Western Europe exports high technology products to Russia, as a result the animosity between Russia and Western and Southern Europe is minimal. It is also fair to ask whether or not a German, Frenchman, Italian, or Spaniard would risk his life on an eastern European battlefield against Russia when his nation has no real dog in the fight. We can say however that the US view of Russia hasn't changed much, and neither has that of Eastern Europe. We can also say that it in the strategic interest of Eastern European nations and the United States to curb Russian expansion westward.

    So the question to answer is this: Who's commitment to NATO should be questioned? The commitment of the United States or the commitment of Western and Southern European states?
     
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    the 2nd country to help Poland after the US, is Germany. Germany has supplied Poland Leo 2A4 and 2A5 plus even helped updated them and armed them with a bunch of other vehicles and firearms. France got mad when Poland denied to buy the EC725s, so its kind of doubtful the French will arm Poland anymore for right now. us (Italy) has offered the M-346 Trainer for the air force. other than that some NATO nations don't want to be part of the commitment.
     
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    What i think. When Poland is the shield bearer for the biggest countries in Europa. We all need to help Poland fair share with military tech so Poland can be strong. It is good to know for Poland side that we really do care with our best interest.
     
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    Wow! Bro, how Poland can be shield, for example, for Norway?
     
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    We are here on American forum, so I wanna suggest to watch situation with American eyes - "Money talks, BS walks".
    Right now USA need to became exporter of gas&oil, and to control European economic with increasing prices on energy.
    So, they need to cut off Europe from resourses of Russia with "Russophobic barrier" from Baltic to Black seas.
    Europeans (some of them) imagine themselves very clever and wanna make assault (or hybrid) warbands for plungering Ukraine and, later, in case of possibility Russia. France base their energetic more in nuclear power (based on Central-African Uranium Resourses), Germany have no guaranteed sources of Uranium, so they need gas from Russia by low prices, or capturing of Ukraine and Kazahkstan Uranium sources.
    Russia is interest for sale in high prices and without feeding of transport countries (like Ukraine or Poland), but don't interest in too seriouse increasing of European economical and military power, especially in creating of one European super-power.

    So, answer on the question is "yes, they would" in two possible situation:
    1) They are under xeno-psyhologist and ready to suicide for US-profit.
    2) They want to get profit from plungering of Russia.
     
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    Thats why we have military ppl to work that out.

    I am having problem with this forum. It takes me several minutes just to logg in and post this on the forum. What is wrong?
     
  7. Seraph

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    Poland is part of the NATO Missile Shield, which is used to protect other NATO nations from Russian missiles. Missile Shield Program is mostly used to protect Eastern Europe Nations. Poland is also looking jointly with France and Germany for a missile defense system.
     
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    1) Polish ABD can't protect Norway from Russian missiles.
    2) Polish forces can't protect Norway from Russian tanks.
     
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    I never mentioned it was to protect Norway. I said Eastern Europe aka Turkey, Romania, Hungary etc. Norway has it's own systems called NASAM.
     
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    Sure. It was @BlueHawk , who said about Poland as a "shield bearer".
    There are another side of a problem - thirty years ago Poland was an ally of Russia, equiped and armoured by USSR. Are you sure, that they will not change side one more time - and "shield in the NATO hands" will suddenly transform in "dagger in NATO's belly"?
     
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